Please recommend a tire bead jack!
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We on the other coast don't have as many stockbrokers & hedge fund managers as you, in greater New York area .. ..
you need a clairvoyant shop keeper to know what you need before you ask , so it is in stock ,
rather than asking them to order it for you.
you need a clairvoyant shop keeper to know what you need before you ask , so it is in stock ,
rather than asking them to order it for you.
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You might add Schwalbe tire levers to your arsenal for dealing with challenging tire-rim combinations. They add different functionality than the tools discussed so far. Namely, they provide clips to hold the tire bead inside the rim, so that the bead that you already put on stays on.
I may have to check out those Schwalbe tire levers, though.
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Follow-up from OP: I just received the KoolStop Tire Bead Jack and immediately tried it out on my tight wheel. To be honest, it didn't do a whole lot. What am I missing?
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Are you positioning the ends of the Jack correctly, one grabbing the rim and pushing against it and the other grabbing the edge/wire of the tire? To me such tools are gimmicks and the useful exercise is to mount the tire with bare hands only, setting the baseline. However, the gimmicks speed up the process when they are applied correctly. With two tires the savings become substantial.
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Update from the OP: Hey, all. I have ordered the Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack, but for the second order in a row, Amazon has lost it in shipping. I don't know what's up with them, but I re-ordered it from Nashbar and should have it soon. I will let you all know how it worked out once I have it in my hands.
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This might be what's happening to your Amazon orders: https://audio.nationalvanguard.com/swarm.mp4
>>>Are you positioning the ends of the Jack correctly, one grabbing the rim and pushing against it and the other grabbing the edge/wire of the tire? <<<<
It seems pretty simple, and I think I am doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing with it. My biggest disappointment is that I have to force almost 9/10ths of the tire on the rim before I can even use the tool, which means I'll probably be tearing a whole bunch of snake bites in the tube before I get around to forcing that last 1/10th onto the rim.
I will play with it some more this weekend and see if I have better results.
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I don't think you realize how a tire jack is used. Bike tires are supposed to be seated by hand as far a possible before the jack is used to seat the last relatively small section. I've never dealt with a tire that couldn't be seated at least 80% of the way around before it got too tight and had to be seated with the jack. BTW, used correctly, the jack prevents tearing and puncturing of tubes during tire seating as can be a problem with tire levers.
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I don't think you realize how a tire jack is used. Bike tires are supposed to be seated by hand as far a possible before the jack is used to seat the last relatively small section. I've never dealt with a tire that couldn't be seated at least 80% of the way around before it got too tight and had to be seated with the jack. BTW, used correctly, the jack prevents tearing and puncturing of tubes during tire seating as can be a problem with tire levers.
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Please recommend a tire bead jack!
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Well I ordered some VAR levers for saddle bag. This is my first time hearing - seeing of a "tire jack." Cool. I do have a couple of the Park metal levers, just used them today to seat a tire.
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Hmmmm.... My biggest disappointment is that I have to force almost 9/10ths of the tire on the rim before I can even use the tool, which means I'll probably be tearing a whole bunch of snake bites in the tube before I get around to forcing that last 1/10th onto the rim.
I will play with it some more this weekend and see if I have better results.
I will play with it some more this weekend and see if I have better results.
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This particular tire I am using now fits my rim a lot tighter than any other I have used in the 24 years I have owned my GT Outpost. It's the first time in a very long time that I have had to worry about snake bites, which is why I purchased the tool. I understand that, to you, I am just another dude on a forum who, perhaps, has little or no experience with bicycle repair and maintenance, but before you insist for a third time that I don't know how to install a tire, let me assure you that I do. I just have not had any experience with this tool.
As noted earlier, I will play with the jack some more as soon as I have a minute and let you all know if I can achieve better results.
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And somewhat surprised there aren't a ton of knockoffs of this to be found on ebay/Amazon etc
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ebay. The listing comes up when I google "var tire levers fiberglass." Hopefully they are legit! thanks
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https://www.ebay.com/i/174340882121?...evt=1&mkcid=28
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Mel Pinto Imports in VA has been importing VAR tools for decades , they Wholesale to Bike shops ,
So ... have your LBS Call (set up an account?) & order thru them.. Or VAR is a French company.
.. order thru one of the Exporting Retailers in France..
...
So ... have your LBS Call (set up an account?) & order thru them.. Or VAR is a French company.
.. order thru one of the Exporting Retailers in France..
...
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Couldn't find the tire jack VAR on ebay, just the 3-packs of VAR's regular old tire levers. Except for these linked below.. which hopefully you didn't spend this much . BikeInn seems to be the only real 'store' that sells these, but crazy they need to be ordered from Europe.
https://www.ebay.com/i/174340882121?...evt=1&mkcid=28
https://www.ebay.com/i/174340882121?...evt=1&mkcid=28
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I saw this tool when I was cooling down after a particularly vexatious encounter
that kept snagging the tube on top of being tight.
It seemed popular with ebike repairmen who wrestle with that nasty rear hub on top of it all.
and I thought it might be for changing without dismounting the wheel.
For the life of me I cant figure how it is used.
Any RTFMD or instructions out there?
Cyclus Tire Installation Pliers / Rear Fork Spreader Product Model:321685
Unior Bike Tools Spreader Pliers - 1678/2BI
There are several variations on this by VAR and others.
They may just be for tucking in the tube , though that seems excessive.
or just getting the wheel out a tight frame
Also , easy mounts are easy, hard ones are hard, and
there is a special place for the video where some (*&*)()&% mounts easy tires barehanded and looks out disapprovingly
in moments where The Fates and me don't appear to be playing on the same team.
that kept snagging the tube on top of being tight.
It seemed popular with ebike repairmen who wrestle with that nasty rear hub on top of it all.
and I thought it might be for changing without dismounting the wheel.
For the life of me I cant figure how it is used.
Any RTFMD or instructions out there?
Cyclus Tire Installation Pliers / Rear Fork Spreader Product Model:321685
Unior Bike Tools Spreader Pliers - 1678/2BI
There are several variations on this by VAR and others.
They may just be for tucking in the tube , though that seems excessive.
or just getting the wheel out a tight frame
Also , easy mounts are easy, hard ones are hard, and
there is a special place for the video where some (*&*)()&% mounts easy tires barehanded and looks out disapprovingly
in moments where The Fates and me don't appear to be playing on the same team.
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You need some skill which you can acquire with practice. I bet I could get any properly sized tire to fit with the Tire Bead Jack.
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Yup, I guess that's the answer. I just haven't had the time to spend playing around with it. As the weather starts to hint at the end of my riding season, I'd rather be cycling as much as possible. I'm sure there's a chilly, rainy or snowy Sunday coming up that will be perfect for repeatedly squeezing a tire on and off my rim.
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Follow-Up: So I spent a little time with the Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack yesterday, working with both narrow tires and balloon tires that happen to be tight-fitting on various rims.
I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but if it didn't cost as little as it did, I would probably be shipping it back right now. On the narrow tire, it kept slipping off, and I couldn't even get it around the wider (2.35") tire. For the latter, I kept looking for an adjustment that would make the tool "longer" and it just doesn't exist.
I trust that everyone who has praised this tool is being sincere; however, I find it useless. Its one benefit is that it made me angry enough to pull my tires even harder and finally get them around the rims!
I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but if it didn't cost as little as it did, I would probably be shipping it back right now. On the narrow tire, it kept slipping off, and I couldn't even get it around the wider (2.35") tire. For the latter, I kept looking for an adjustment that would make the tool "longer" and it just doesn't exist.
I trust that everyone who has praised this tool is being sincere; however, I find it useless. Its one benefit is that it made me angry enough to pull my tires even harder and finally get them around the rims!
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Follow-Up: So I spent a little time with the Topeak Tire Bead Jack yesterday, working with both narrow tires and balloon tires that happen to be tight-fitting on various rims.
I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but if it didn't cost as little as it did, I would probably be shipping it back right now. On the narrow tire, it kept slipping off, and I couldn't even get it around the wider (2.35") tire. For the latter, I kept looking for an adjustment that would make the tool "longer" and it just doesn't exist.
I trust that everyone who has praised this tool is being sincere; however, I find it useless. Its one benefit is that it made me angry enough to pull my tires even harder and finally get them around the rims!
I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but if it didn't cost as little as it did, I would probably be shipping it back right now. On the narrow tire, it kept slipping off, and I couldn't even get it around the wider (2.35") tire. For the latter, I kept looking for an adjustment that would make the tool "longer" and it just doesn't exist.
I trust that everyone who has praised this tool is being sincere; however, I find it useless. Its one benefit is that it made me angry enough to pull my tires even harder and finally get them around the rims!
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Follow-Up: So I spent a little time with the Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack yesterday, working with both narrow tires and balloon tires that happen to be tight-fitting on various rims.
I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but if it didn't cost as little as it did, I would probably be shipping it back right now. On the narrow tire, it kept slipping off, and I couldn't even get it around the wider (2.35") tire. For the latter, I kept looking for an adjustment that would make the tool "longer" and it just doesn't exist.
I trust that everyone who has praised this tool is being sincere; however, I find it useless. Its one benefit is that it made me angry enough to pull my tires even harder and finally get them around the rims!
I know I'm going to get slammed for saying this, but if it didn't cost as little as it did, I would probably be shipping it back right now. On the narrow tire, it kept slipping off, and I couldn't even get it around the wider (2.35") tire. For the latter, I kept looking for an adjustment that would make the tool "longer" and it just doesn't exist.
I trust that everyone who has praised this tool is being sincere; however, I find it useless. Its one benefit is that it made me angry enough to pull my tires even harder and finally get them around the rims!
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Tom, sorry to hear you didn't like it. If I still lived on LI I would drive over and take it off your hands as my charity shop could use a 2nd one (lots of guys here with old fingers). If you want to donate it to us I'll send you my mailing address. Or depending where you are I could have my daughter or son come by as they still live on LI.
Now that I won't be shuttling my bike in the car and struggling with a narrow cantilever opening to get the front wheel off for a while, I've put my Big Apple fat tires back on the rims -- and THEY fit GREAT! No need for a jack until at least springtime 2021.
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