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Old 09-12-16, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AristoNYC
Definitely. The shop was cool enough to offer me a bike to use in the interim, though I didn't need it.

The problem is that I don't even know. I was riding and the bike felt a little flexy so i got off and noticed the crack on the top tube. It is about 2-3 inches from where it meets the seat tube. Its odd that it not at a joint.
Point this out for interest..

https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cy...bon-frame.html

The thread gets derailed after a page or two but is the same sort of deal.

Guy had a "small crash' and found his frame cracked when he got up. He assumed that the crack was caused by the crash but could not explain the crash, said he "lost his balance." I believe that the crack was the cause rather than the result, that it cracked first and caused him to loose his balance as it flexed.

I'm glad you didn't go down or get hurt. Could have been much worse.


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today I bought some new levers, to mount front AND rear brakes on my FG. I like to ride long distance with hills and don't give a damn about "street cred" or some BS like that.
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Originally Posted by Leukybear
Just get another set and you'll have all the spares you need

They're pretty cheap nowadays considering how popular and mass produced they were back in their prime.

It definitely helps to let wd-40 or triflow to soak in before truing though. The common park tool mavic nipple wrench for it makes too much torque doesnt help either.

Help me out here. I'm asking out of ignorance.

I think more of these Ksyrium SL spokes are going to go. I could hear them making the same noise as the one that broke while soft pedaling home.

So I've been dabbing TriFlow on the spoke nipples for a few days under the assumption that more are frozen. I have a replacement for the broken NDS spoke have a source for more should I need them.

How long should I soak these things? A day or a week or a month? How likely is it that these will free up? Or is it a lost cause? Wont know until they are tried?

I realize you can't predict the future but what are your thoughts? I'd like to try to salvage these wheels rather than turn them into a coffee table.


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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Point this out for interest..

https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cy...bon-frame.html

The thread gets derailed after a page or two but is the same sort of deal.

Guy had a "small crash' and found his frame cracked when he got up. He assumed that the crack was caused by the crash but could not explain the crash, said he "lost his balance." I believe that the crack was the cause rather than the result, that it cracked first and caused him to loose his balance as it flexed.

I'm glad you didn't go down or get hurt. Could have been much worse.


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Thanks, I'm happy it didnt snap while I was riding. I actually rode it 10 miles to the shop to drop off but I wasn't bombing any hills or bunny hopping stuff.

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Weird. Probably just a defective piece of tubing. Does it run parallel with the tube or around the circumference?
Yeah, I'm hoping that I don't get any issues from Giant for a replacement. It was around the the tubing left to right, rather than front to back.
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Originally Posted by AristoNYC
Thanks, I'm happy it didnt snap while I was riding. I actually rode it 10 miles to the shop to drop off but I wasn't bombing any hills or bunny hopping stuff.


Yeah, I'm hoping that I don't get any issues from Giant for a replacement. It was around the the tubing left to right, rather than front to back.
FWIW, Bianchi did the right thing in the other thread and sent a replacement.

Hope Giant does the same. Your case seems pretty straight forward.
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Today I am getting ready to take an easy to moderate ride on level ground...

Saturday a friend and I did LoToJa as a two-man relay team. I rode legs 1, 3, and 5; he did 2 and 4. It took us just a few minutes over 12 hours to finish the whole 206 miles. I ended up with about 126 miles, including 3100+ feet of climbing. The highest point on the course, near the end of leg 3, is 7630 feet.

It was fun! Tough but fun, and worth the effort.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Help me out here. I'm asking out of ignorance.

I think more of these Ksyrium SL spokes are going to go. I could hear them making the same noise as the one that broke while soft pedaling home.

So I've been dabbing TriFlow on the spoke nipples for a few days under the assumption that more are frozen. I have a replacement for the broken NDS spoke have a source for more should I need them.

How long should I soak these things? A day or a week or a month? How likely is it that these will free up? Or is it a lost cause? Wont know until they are tried?

I realize you can't predict the future but what are your thoughts? I'd like to try to salvage these wheels rather than turn them into a coffee table.


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Is that sound being produced when the nipple is rotated in either direction?

Seized spokes on SSC ksyriums can be dicey as the corrosion created bond between the spoke/ nipple interface needs to be broken first. It is here when the spoke usually breaks. You're going to have be very patient and slow going with the following process for every problem spoke.

You do not want the spoke to twist. At first it is going to be inevitable when you're attempting to break the spoke loose from the nipple but you have to minimize it. While attempting to rotate the nipple, use a pair of pliers (if they're needle nose, use the inner wider portion) with a small rag in its jaw to clamp the bottommost fully bladed portion of the spoke closest to the nipple.

With the spoke held firmly in place by the pliers with one hand, in very small increments twist the nipple back and forth with the spoke wrench in the other hand. You will feel torsion on the spoke through the pliers for as long as the spoke is seized within the nipple. You will know if the spoke has broken loose when you no longer feel this torsion.

Seeing that triflow has not done much, you should try using something that is more geared toward unseizing things. A penetrating oil should give you the best shot at breaking free the spokes without breaking themselves. Try PB blaster, it is my go to.

Truth be told, mavic did a poor job in corrosion proofing the nipple and spokes of those wheels.
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Originally Posted by Leukybear
Is that sound being produced when the nipple is rotated in either direction?

Seized spokes on SSC ksyriums can be dicey as the corrosion created bond between the spoke/ nipple interface needs to be broken first. It is here when the spoke usually breaks. You're going to have be very patient and slow going with the following process for every problem spoke.

You do not want the spoke to twist. At first it is going to be inevitable when you're attempting to break the spoke loose from the nipple but you have to minimize it. While attempting to rotate the nipple, use a pair of pliers (if they're needle nose, use the inner wider portion) with a small rag in its jaw to clamp the bottommost fully bladed portion of the spoke closest to the nipple.

With the spoke held firmly in place by the pliers with one hand, in very small increments twist the nipple back and forth with the spoke wrench in the other hand. You will feel torsion on the spoke through the pliers for as long as the spoke is seized within the nipple. You will know if the spoke has broken loose when you no longer feel this torsion.

Seeing that triflow has not done much, you should try using something that is more geared toward unseizing things. A penetrating oil should give you the best shot at breaking free the spokes without breaking themselves. Try PB blaster, it is my go to.

Truth be told, mavic did a poor job in corrosion proofing the nipple and spokes of those wheels.

Thanks for this. I have not tried to twist anything yet. Not in a rush.

The red/bold makes absolute sense. If it is corrosion then the two pieces are bonded and there may not be much that can be done.

I purchased a few spokes just in case. If not then it will make a really nice coffee table.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
If it is corrosion then the two pieces are bonded and there may not be much that can be done.
Not so! I don't have much experience with bicycle spokes, but I've a lot dealing with corrosion. Take Leukybear's advice to use PB Blaster. That and a little physical force--very judiciously applied--can work wonders for un-bonding stuff.
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Originally Posted by Broctoon
Not so! I don't have much experience with bicycle spokes, but I've a lot dealing with corrosion. Take Leukybear's advice to use PB Blaster. That and a little physical force--very judiciously applied--can work wonders for un-bonding stuff.

I decided to go for it last night.

Two nipples gave a slight pop as they broke loose but everything is like butter.

I Appreciate the advice.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
FWIW, Bianchi did the right thing in the other thread and sent a replacement.

Hope Giant does the same. Your case seems pretty straight forward.
Thanks. Got an email from the shop, Giant is going to be sending a replacement frame. Its going to take a few weeks and will be a different color, but still a replacement. I actually like the replacement color better.

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Originally Posted by AristoNYC
I actually like the replacement color better.
Same as the guy with the Bianchi. They are sending him a different color which he likes better.
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today im home from coloRADo



pretty much the greatest place ever.
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Originally Posted by AristoNYC
Thanks. Got an email from the shop, Giant is going to be sending a replacement frame. Its going to take a few weeks and will be a different color, but still a replacement. I actually like the replacement color better.

I like it. It makes me wish I had considered a Giant over the C-Dale Synapse.
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Sorry I didn't try to hang out with you good sir

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Sorry I didn't try to hang out with you good sir
its quite alright, i had plenty of mountains to play with, lots of beers to drink, and pots to eat
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Originally Posted by Mumonkan
today im home from coloRADo

pretty much the greatest place ever.
Agreed.

Also, did I lose you from instagram or have you not been posting much, I swear I never see your stuff anymore.
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Originally Posted by SpeshulEd
Agreed.

Also, did I lose you from instagram or have you not been posting much, I swear I never see your stuff anymore.
nah still there, i just really havent been computering that much in general. i got into some deep funk middle of summer that kept me off the bike, blog postage, internetmachines etc.

that and another pic i posted this afternoon are on the instantmachine
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Gave up beer for the two weeks prior to Jingle Cross and feel fitter than I have in the last 8 years. Go figure.
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How dare you suggest that beer is bad.
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Beer is awesome, but not when you want ride a bike whilst completely in the red for 40 minutes.
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I picked up a HED seatpost off eBay because I convinced myself I should use a aluminum seatpost instead of the generic carbon one I've been using. It arrived yesterday and it's totally cool, but now I'm not sure I want to use it because carbon. Suddenly I'm thinking about grams while riding a Surly.
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Suddenly I'm thinking about grams while riding a Surly.
The only grams you should be counting while riding a Surly are of the herbal variety
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