Temptation to Cheat at Car-Lite
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I assume you mostly drive when you need to, but maybe sometimes because you just feel like it, even though it's not really necessary. Congratulations on figuring out that you don't always need to drive.
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Me, I love pistachios but until they came shelled, I wouldn't eat them. Same with sunflower seeds.
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What I am saying if you set a “goal” once you meet that goal are you not free to do whatever you want without changing status?
If no one can define car free they sure can’t define car light. If the goal is set by the individual there is no way one could cheat on that goal.
If however some third party gets to set the goal or standards they have to be listed before someone could be accused of cheating.
I still contend you can’t cheat on a game with no rules.
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But don’t we all do what we do just because we feel like it? If someone believes they are car light because they ride their bike 60 percent of the time once they reach that 60 percent goal do they need to ride the bike?
What I am saying if you set a “goal” once you meet that goal are you not free to do whatever you want without changing status?
If no one can define car free they sure can’t define car light. If the goal is set by the individual there is no way one could cheat on that goal.
If however some third party gets to set the goal or standards they have to be listed before someone could be accused of cheating.
I still contend you can’t cheat on a game with no rules.
What I am saying if you set a “goal” once you meet that goal are you not free to do whatever you want without changing status?
If no one can define car free they sure can’t define car light. If the goal is set by the individual there is no way one could cheat on that goal.
If however some third party gets to set the goal or standards they have to be listed before someone could be accused of cheating.
I still contend you can’t cheat on a game with no rules.
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But don’t we all do what we do just because we feel like it? If someone believes they are car light because they ride their bike 60 percent of the time once they reach that 60 percent goal do they need to ride the bike?
What I am saying if you set a “goal” once you meet that goal are you not free to do whatever you want without changing status?
If no one can define car free they sure can’t define car light. If the goal is set by the individual there is no way one could cheat on that goal.
If however some third party gets to set the goal or standards they have to be listed before someone could be accused of cheating.
I still contend you can’t cheat on a game with no rules.
What I am saying if you set a “goal” once you meet that goal are you not free to do whatever you want without changing status?
If no one can define car free they sure can’t define car light. If the goal is set by the individual there is no way one could cheat on that goal.
If however some third party gets to set the goal or standards they have to be listed before someone could be accused of cheating.
I still contend you can’t cheat on a game with no rules.
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I am simply stating the obvious. I wanted to be sure the terms were not slipping. It seems as if things do slip a lot in this forum.
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However, if we set aside the controversial word choice, I think the OP topic is still worth discussing. Some people are happy using a mixture of car and non-car transport and don't sweat the details, while others are deliberately trying to minimize their car use for whatever reason, and are struggling with it. The thread is mainly for those people, to talk about that struggle.
However I don't see that the definition of car-light is in any way up for review.
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I honestly don't get how you think people are changing the definition.
However, if we set aside the controversial word choice, I think the OP topic is still worth discussing. Some people are happy using a mixture of car and non-car transport and don't sweat the details, while others are deliberately trying to minimize their car use for whatever reason, and are struggling with it. The thread is mainly for those people, to talk about that struggle.
However I don't see that the definition of car-light is in any way up for review.
However, if we set aside the controversial word choice, I think the OP topic is still worth discussing. Some people are happy using a mixture of car and non-car transport and don't sweat the details, while others are deliberately trying to minimize their car use for whatever reason, and are struggling with it. The thread is mainly for those people, to talk about that struggle.
However I don't see that the definition of car-light is in any way up for review.
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If you reread the OP, he wasn't saying any use of a car by an LCL person was cheating - he was referring to situations where a person striving to use a car only when necessary might use it when they could have avoided it. So they're cheating on their own rules. He made a faulty assumption that most LCL people would consider that cheating, but pretty well everybody in the thread told him they didn't.
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Car light because I drive less. Less than what? Less than I once did. I once drove 20k a year. Now I only drive 4 to 5 K Goal reached I cannot cheat. Once the goal was reached the game is over. Always will be. By the definition most recognized in this forum car light people, whatever that really is, have already reached the goal once they start calling themselves car light. There is no car "lighter."
Person has two cars. drives both, goal is to have one. One car sold goal achieved. Car light by the forum definition can't cheat. Even if they never sold the car, they didn't cheat they gave up. DNF in racing. Cheating would be claim to do what you didn't. Calling someone a cheat when they are doing what they said is a false value judgement. Once a goal is achieved can anyone feel they cheated by not doing more? If you ride a century is it cheating not to ride an extra 50 miles?
Unless you have another definition of what car light is? But you may have your own opinion.
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Car light because I drive less. Less than what? Less than I once did. I once drove 20k a year. Now I only drive 4 to 5 K Goal reached I cannot cheat. Once the goal was reached the game is over. Always will be. By the definition most recognized in this forum car light people, whatever that really is, have already reached the goal once they start calling themselves car light. There is no car "lighter."
Person has two cars. drives both, goal is to have one. One car sold goal achieved. Car light by the forum definition can't cheat. Even if they never sold the car, they didn't cheat they gave up. DNF in racing. Cheating would be claim to do what you didn't. Calling someone a cheat when they are doing what they said is a false value judgement. Once a goal is achieved can anyone feel they cheated by not doing more? If you ride a century is it cheating not to ride an extra 50 miles?
Unless you have another definition of what car light is? But you may have your own opinion.
Person has two cars. drives both, goal is to have one. One car sold goal achieved. Car light by the forum definition can't cheat. Even if they never sold the car, they didn't cheat they gave up. DNF in racing. Cheating would be claim to do what you didn't. Calling someone a cheat when they are doing what they said is a false value judgement. Once a goal is achieved can anyone feel they cheated by not doing more? If you ride a century is it cheating not to ride an extra 50 miles?
Unless you have another definition of what car light is? But you may have your own opinion.
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So we can now all agree on the inherent problem here? Its the same reason most people fail on their diet: Ambiguous goal. If you ask them what their goal is they say to lose weight. Well if you weigh 350 lbs and you lose one pound you achieved your goal. When your goal is ambiguous the term "cheat" doesn't apply, and pretty much make the whole concept pretty much meaningless.
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That's why I asked the other poster to PM with a forum suggestion where religion isn't taboo, because it would be nice to explore other forums where one is free to mention religion-based thoughts as part of a post and not trigger anger and/or moderation.
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Back on topic, I thought of driving to my accountant (at this time of year they work holiday weekends, no religious context intended) and barbershop, to get the errands done quicker, but decided I need the exercise, so I walked to the accountant this am and will walk to the barbershop later. They're both about 1km away in different directions, so in my mind too close to bike, yet not too close to think of driving, which is weird.
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Whether to drive a car is part of a belief system because materialism is a never ending cycle of desire enslaving us through consumerism, passions not possessions brings happiness and all of the best/efficient designs are the most simple, that includes the way the we live.
Are ships car-lite?
I have a car, I plan on using it far less, hopefully stop altogether, because I want to stop cheating myself, I don't want to be a slave, I want to be free, I want to start with the man in the mirror and be a better person to myself, then I will change the world. God bless.
Free your mind.
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Good luck with that. Religion is a divisive topic, which is why it's not supposed to be discussed here except in P&R. I'm sure there are multiple whole external forums specifically set up to discuss only religion, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of hostility even there, because that's the number - I mean nature - of the beast.
Back on topic, I thought of driving to my accountant (at this time of year they work holiday weekends, no religious context intended) and barbershop, to get the errands done quicker, but decided I need the exercise, so I walked to the accountant this am and will walk to the barbershop later. They're both about 1km away in different directions, so in my mind too close to bike, yet not too close to think of driving, which is weird.
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Good luck with that. Religion is a divisive topic, which is why it's not supposed to be discussed here except in P&R. I'm sure there are multiple whole external forums specifically set up to discuss only religion, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of hostility even there, because that's the number - I mean nature - of the beast.
It is nice to be able to be mindful of such cultural influences and express them freely within discussions, and to have that cultural diversity respected and even appreciated. Of course I agree that people should self-censor certain speech acts, but I won't get into which and which not and why because it would invite what essentially amounts to a P&R discussion.
I was always taught to embrace other cultures and extend courtesies as far as I can so long as they don't violate my fundamental beliefs. I draw the line at human sacrifices.