Putting a mtb crankset on a road/cx frame
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Putting a mtb crankset on a road/cx frame
I am looking at buying a deore xt crankset for my 2007 Jamis Nova. The nova has a 68mm bb and the crankset is the m780, and has an external bb. I need to know if this will work. Any other related info would also be appreciated.
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I tried this a couple years ago and had problems getting it to shift properly. Now, i was using a 9spd crank with brifters but the problem was that I couldn't get a road derailleur to reach out far enough. I could have offset the crank to the non-drive side but my OCD wouldn't allow that. I went with a "cross double (I believe its a 46-36) and a mountain cassette (12-36) and rear derailleur. That probably doesn't help much and I will certainly be watching to see what others say.
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I tried this a couple years ago and had problems getting it to shift properly. Now, i was using a 9spd crank with brifters but the problem was that I couldn't get a road derailleur to reach out far enough. I could have offset the crank to the non-drive side but my OCD wouldn't allow that. I went with a "cross double (I believe its a 46-36) and a mountain cassette (12-36) and rear derailleur. That probably doesn't help much and I will certainly be watching to see what others say.
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I am planning on running an all mtb drive train. I am going flatbar with either alivio or deore shifters.
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I haven't done this particular set up but there is no reason why it can't work. People have been using mtb cranks on road bikes for a long time. My soma double cross is currently set up with an mtb crank but I am running bar ends and the left is friction. The BB is a standard english threaded bb so that is not the problem. The FD might give you issues and so might the shifters. Indexing for the crank is kind of a dumb idea, IMHO. If you're running 9s on the back, I'd get 9 speed bar ends (either micro shift or shimano).
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I guess the real question I have is if I will need to space it differently since mtbs typically have a different bb size than a road frame. (73mm vs 68mm if I recall). The install of the crankset is the focus.
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I tried this a couple years ago and had problems getting it to shift properly. Now, i was using a 9spd crank with brifters but the problem was that I couldn't get a road derailleur to reach out far enough. I could have offset the crank to the non-drive side but my OCD wouldn't allow that. I went with a "cross double (I believe its a 46-36) and a mountain cassette (12-36) and rear derailleur. That probably doesn't help much and I will certainly be watching to see what others say.
It's not about how the bike looks but about the way the bike works.
Most mountain bikes use a 68mm bottom bracket shell. Only rarely do you see a 73mm. The spacers will let you get the proper chain line.
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can you please elaborate more about spacers. Do they come with the crankset or do you purchase them separately?
also is there a chart or something that tells you how much space is needed for the chain to line up?
also is there a chart or something that tells you how much space is needed for the chain to line up?
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@cyccommute thanks a lot you have been really helpful.
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the road crank spider is not dished enough and the 40t chainring hit the chainstays. wasn't even close. if you reverse the situation, as you are describing, i think, i wouldn't be surprised if alignment tolerances might be exceeded and create shifting problems no matter what.
OTOH, it's pretty easy to test and may well be worth the attempt.
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Almost every MTB I've come across since the late 90s has had a 73mm BB shell. Except for the stupid new ones with the press fit nonsense.
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Or just disregard chainline in favour of symmetrical Q factor if it'll work without the chain snagging on lift pins etc... chainline is NBD with modern chains IMO, and if the OCD kicks in, you can reverse the chain when you clean it to equalise wear.
Also with HTII cranks there's a bit of leeway with how far onto the spline the left crank is clamped; even more if you ditch the locating pin. If you can add a couple of mm to the OLD and clamp the crank a couple of mm narrower, you're home free with no compromise - it's only a 2.5mm discrepancy to correct; I'm sure 2mm is enough (a 2mm OLD increase will improve your chainline by 1mm, and narrowing the cranks 2mm will do the same, assuming symmetrical spacing).
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I also volunteer at a coop every Saturday and see bikes of every vintage imaginable. I have yet to see a 73mm bottom bracket there. By the law of the Bike Depot, however, every bike I see this Saturday will probably have a 73mm bottom bracket that needs replacement and we don't have any
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i have attempted, unsuccessfully, in the past to use a '85ish road (Sakae) crank on a '95 Gary Fisher MTB frame. it didn't work. more or less the opposite of what you are describing.
the road crank spider is not dished enough and the 40t chainring hit the chainstays. wasn't even close. if you reverse the situation, as you are describing, i think, i wouldn't be surprised if alignment tolerances might be exceeded and create shifting problems no matter what.
OTOH, it's pretty easy to test and may well be worth the attempt.
the road crank spider is not dished enough and the 40t chainring hit the chainstays. wasn't even close. if you reverse the situation, as you are describing, i think, i wouldn't be surprised if alignment tolerances might be exceeded and create shifting problems no matter what.
OTOH, it's pretty easy to test and may well be worth the attempt.
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An external bottom bracket comes with one or 2 spacers but you can get them from many bike shops in various widths. Look here for information on the chain lines. Just to be clear you want the middle ring to be set at the distance for a road chain line.
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Bingo. Nailed it. Your crank will have 3 spacers along with the BB. The install should be supremely easy; just make sure your BB shell is faced nicely before proceeding.