$299 1400g CF Framesets on EBay - What Gives?
09-26-18, 05:37 PM
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Interesting link, I saw lots of road frames that looked tempting, but don't wanna buy something that's under-built. I weigh 175, but my riding style torques out frames quite a bit, lots of sprinting for lights, accelerations, and pushing big gears up short hills.
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It's not underbuilt, it's just built well. And built light.
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Thanks, that's good to know. I'm gonna definitely buy one of these sooner or later, the prices are so good, I know I won't be able to resist.
This my current "fastest bike" that I got in 2011. Would I notice much improvement over this bike?
This my current "fastest bike" that I got in 2011. Would I notice much improvement over this bike?
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$299 1400g CF Framesets on EBay - What Gives?
Chain stays, BB shell, head tube/down tube junction .... seat stay/seat tube junction .... and just about every other part of the frame, no doubt.
Where did you find a frame that cheap? I have been watching Sportive Disc prices and $750 is the best I have ever seen.
Chain stays, BB shell, head tube/down tube junction .... seat stay/seat tube junction .... and just about every other part of the frame, no doubt.
Where did you find a frame that cheap? I have been watching Sportive Disc prices and $750 is the best I have ever seen.
09-28-18, 09:18 AM
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Key Phrase: "one of the best bikes he's ever ridden."
... of the four other Walmart models?
Common sense ... has probably always been an either/or proposition.
Here I think it is sensible to say that No Matter how massive the bulk, no matter how large the production run ... the cost to build a bike and ship it from China to America has Some basic cost, below which it simply cannot be done. And there has to be profit involved for every supplier/builder/assembler/transporter as well as the retailer, for it to work as a business.
If the bike shows up for $300 in Walmart, the store has got to be paying maybe $100? max $200, but I doubt it, even with Walmart wages. Even if we take the high number ... that is All parts, from wheels to tires to cockpit to drive train, and whatever suspension if it has any .... And a carbon-fiber frame .... for $200.
How much care can have gone into any of that? If someone tells me he can sell me a top-quality CF frame for a mountain bike for $50 I will tell him he is wrong ... because it is either junk or stolen, and I won't buy it. Sorry, but "best bike he has ever ridden" says to me the guy has never ridden a good bike .... because I refuse to believe that Walmart can buy a CF bike frame for under $50 that is as good as the best frames out there ... or is even very good.
I am sure i could lay up a CF frame, and rig a vacuum pump out of my vacuum, and then cook it in my oven .... and sell it for $50. Pretty sure materials, energy costs, and labor would make it a loss ... even without shipping and assembly added on top. And I could be pretty sure that the quality of the finished frame wasn't as good as that coming out of a factory where QC was more stringent, and where the designers were actually working hard to push the envelope to make the strongest, stiffest, lightest frame possible.
I am pretty sure Walmart reverse-engineers an old frame and adds a bunch of material so it won't break so they can avoid lawsuits---pretty sure they don't hire the industry's best engineers using the best software to model potential loads and forces to determine exactly where and how to place and orient fibers to provide all the needed strength at the lowest weight.
The idea that Any frame made out of carbon fiber is equivalent to any other .... well, for a guy who has only ridden Walmart bikes, it might as well be.
... of the four other Walmart models?
Common sense ... has probably always been an either/or proposition.
Here I think it is sensible to say that No Matter how massive the bulk, no matter how large the production run ... the cost to build a bike and ship it from China to America has Some basic cost, below which it simply cannot be done. And there has to be profit involved for every supplier/builder/assembler/transporter as well as the retailer, for it to work as a business.
If the bike shows up for $300 in Walmart, the store has got to be paying maybe $100? max $200, but I doubt it, even with Walmart wages. Even if we take the high number ... that is All parts, from wheels to tires to cockpit to drive train, and whatever suspension if it has any .... And a carbon-fiber frame .... for $200.
How much care can have gone into any of that? If someone tells me he can sell me a top-quality CF frame for a mountain bike for $50 I will tell him he is wrong ... because it is either junk or stolen, and I won't buy it. Sorry, but "best bike he has ever ridden" says to me the guy has never ridden a good bike .... because I refuse to believe that Walmart can buy a CF bike frame for under $50 that is as good as the best frames out there ... or is even very good.
I am sure i could lay up a CF frame, and rig a vacuum pump out of my vacuum, and then cook it in my oven .... and sell it for $50. Pretty sure materials, energy costs, and labor would make it a loss ... even without shipping and assembly added on top. And I could be pretty sure that the quality of the finished frame wasn't as good as that coming out of a factory where QC was more stringent, and where the designers were actually working hard to push the envelope to make the strongest, stiffest, lightest frame possible.
I am pretty sure Walmart reverse-engineers an old frame and adds a bunch of material so it won't break so they can avoid lawsuits---pretty sure they don't hire the industry's best engineers using the best software to model potential loads and forces to determine exactly where and how to place and orient fibers to provide all the needed strength at the lowest weight.
The idea that Any frame made out of carbon fiber is equivalent to any other .... well, for a guy who has only ridden Walmart bikes, it might as well be.
Wow you have some crazy "logic".
First off here is a guy, probably the one you are dismissing without knowing anything at all about him:
https://www.youtube.com/user/KevCentral (edit: yeah same guy, I see someone replied...)
He has something like 16 bikes and is quite experienced, and thinks highly of the Hyper X carbon frame. You should judge the quality of something by its quality, that is obvious to many people but not you. You judge quality based on price and geographical location as if I could by something expensive in one location, sell it cheaply in another and somehow by doing that change its physical properties. You know magic isn't real right?
And FYI, wallmart doesn't make bikes lol. What you are "pretty sure" of doesn't amount to much.
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09-28-18, 11:11 AM
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Dude ... if you had bothered to read the rest fo the thread you would have seen that someone who Wasn't looking to feel all superior raised all these issues and ti was all discussed.
But thanks for proving that all you care about is picking fights. I like to know when those sorts of folk show up.
Go away and don't come back, that's a good poster .....
But thanks for proving that all you care about is picking fights. I like to know when those sorts of folk show up.
Go away and don't come back, that's a good poster .....
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That's bordering on BSO looking.
I get it, that's heresey, but dang its funny when the real thing looks so much like the imitators.
I get it, that's heresey, but dang its funny when the real thing looks so much like the imitators.
10-01-18, 07:44 PM
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Maybe you should try contacting the seller directly about the measurements you need?
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If you have anything to contribute about the topic thread, go ahead and contribute.
If you think this is another one of your "Hot or Not" thread to be closed soon, please go somewhere else and spread your hate.
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Bikes certainly don't have to be primp'ed up to be posted in this thread or forum.
For the second time, go spread your hate elsewhere.
For the second time, go spread your hate elsewhere.
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This went South pretty quickly.
I have no opinion on the quality of this frame. I mean, the price seems ridiculously low. But maybe all other CF bikes are way over-priced.
I do like the grammar in the eBay description of the frame and the suggestion that if the frame is late in arriving, to take it up with USPS or FedEx or UPS. Clever.
I have no opinion on the quality of this frame. I mean, the price seems ridiculously low. But maybe all other CF bikes are way over-priced.
I do like the grammar in the eBay description of the frame and the suggestion that if the frame is late in arriving, to take it up with USPS or FedEx or UPS. Clever.
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Ok guys, friendly reminder here. All the rudeness and hostility and thinly veiled insults don't fly outside of the Hot or Not threads, ok? If you have nothing better to do than criticize somebody's bike then you need to walk away from the computer and maybe go take a ride. Not having it.
Just s friendly suggestion.
Just s friendly suggestion.
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