Help me find a Gravel Bike with Road Endurance Manners
03-25-19, 07:47 PM
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When I was a kid I had a gravel bike, it was also street bike and with baskets it could haul stuff, it came with wide tires (whitewalls), it rode fantastic on any terrain, city streets, sidewalks, dirt trails, mud and various paths. We didn't spend any effort into trying to figure out what bike would do what, let alone spend much money and we fixed the thing ourselves. It was a 1959 Schwinn Tornado, now I have a Marin Muirwoods 29er and it does the same things as my Schwinn did back in the day, except the brakes are better. What I'm trying to say is, I guess, just get you a good bicycle and enjoy riding the thing wherever you want without over-thinking the process.
03-25-19, 08:54 PM
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But to be honest, I might have said the same thing a year ago. My first reaction to the marketing of “gravel bikes” was “WTF is this?!?”, followed by wondering how they were different from cyclocross bikes, followed by the realization that they are actually kind of perfect for a lot of people—and possibly me.
03-25-19, 09:48 PM
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When I was a kid I had a gravel bike, it was also street bike and with baskets it could haul stuff, it came with wide tires (whitewalls), it rode fantastic on any terrain, city streets, sidewalks, dirt trails, mud and various paths. We didn't spend any effort into trying to figure out what bike would do what, let alone spend much money and we fixed the thing ourselves. It was a 1959 Schwinn Tornado, now I have a Marin Muirwoods 29er and it does the same things as my Schwinn did back in the day, except the brakes are better. What I'm trying to say is, I guess, just get you a good bicycle and enjoy riding the thing wherever you want without over-thinking the process.
03-26-19, 03:36 AM
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I'm still thinking about the Giant Revolt, but have to figure out why it's so heavy. Perhaps it can be salvaged by swapping out some Giant proprietary parts.
What awesome bikes am I neglecting to look at? Mason? Kona? Others? I can also do a frameset, as I enjoy building up a bike from scratch.
Thank you in advance for your replies!
What awesome bikes am I neglecting to look at? Mason? Kona? Others? I can also do a frameset, as I enjoy building up a bike from scratch.
Thank you in advance for your replies!
I am not sure how much weight you could knock off the Topstone with a good wheelset and say 700x38 panaracer GK slick over the 40's Nano's. That would also be 105.... CAAD is not plush, yet Not jarring either. Actually I've found CAAD frames to rival many carbon bikes out there. and if all you ride is crushed limestone... it would work.
The Norco Search XR bikes are interesting too.
03-26-19, 07:43 AM
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A dutch magazine review of the Giant Revolt Advanced 0 had a size medium without pedals at 8.6KG's. You can easily drop another pound my replacing the crank, handlebar, rotors, and saddle. I test rode the Revolt, Checkpoint, and Hakka and found the Giant to be the stiffest and most responsive of the three. And yes, I did order the Revolt Advanced 0 and plan on doing these upgrade and get it into 18-lbs range with pedals and bottle cages. Thats the same weight as an endurance bike like my buddies Trek Domane SL 7 disk which retails at $5800.
03-26-19, 04:07 PM
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Just out: Salsa Warroad. All road gravel road cross road bike.
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_force_1_650
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...-warroad-news/
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_force_1_650
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...-warroad-news/
03-27-19, 07:38 AM
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the revolt is 70mm BB drop .... you said low. to me low is 75 + Just thought I'd mention that. and the conduct brakes are heavy!
I am not sure how much weight you could knock off the Topstone with a good wheelset and say 700x38 panaracer GK slick over the 40's Nano's....
I am not sure how much weight you could knock off the Topstone with a good wheelset and say 700x38 panaracer GK slick over the 40's Nano's....
I took about a pound off my bike with tires/wheels (and I started with a pretty light set stock).
03-27-19, 03:39 PM
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Which bike is that?
I went from stock DT SWISS CR1600 wheels and Schwalbe G1 (1750gm and 460gm)
to some inexpensive (similarly priced at the DT swiss) carbon wheels and conti GP4000s tires (<1500gm, and 260gm).
That is 450gm a wheel, 900gm a wheelset, or about 2 lbs. Obviously if you have 2000gm wheels you can save a bit more.
03-27-19, 10:43 PM
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Any bike!
I went from stock DT SWISS CR1600 wheels and Schwalbe G1 (1750gm and 460gm)
to some inexpensive (similarly priced at the DT swiss) carbon wheels and conti GP4000s tires (<1500gm, and 260gm).
That is 450gm a wheel, 900gm a wheelset, or about 2 lbs. Obviously if you have 2000gm wheels you can save a bit more.
I went from stock DT SWISS CR1600 wheels and Schwalbe G1 (1750gm and 460gm)
to some inexpensive (similarly priced at the DT swiss) carbon wheels and conti GP4000s tires (<1500gm, and 260gm).
That is 450gm a wheel, 900gm a wheelset, or about 2 lbs. Obviously if you have 2000gm wheels you can save a bit more.
and the stock tires are 40mm while you switched to 28mm(at widest) tires. Well yeah, that's weight saved because it's a totally different style tire. I could have aggressive trail mtb tires thst are light for their category, change to a 28mm conti gp4k, and save 800 combined grams...but that's apples and oranges.
unless i misunderstood(happens a lot), your example at 650g saved is still significant, but it also creates a totally different bike.
03-28-19, 09:55 AM
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Yeah I wouldn't have figured GP4000s into this at all. But OK yeah, light wheels rock. That's why I have a set myself 
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03-28-19, 09:58 AM
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wouldn't that be 400g for the tires combined and 250 for the wheelset? So 650g saved.
and the stock tires are 40mm while you switched to 28mm(at widest) tires. Well yeah, that's weight saved because it's a totally different style tire. I could have aggressive trail mtb tires thst are light for their category, change to a 28mm conti gp4k, and save 800 combined grams...but that's apples and oranges.
unless i misunderstood(happens a lot), your example at 650g saved is still significant, but it also creates a totally different bike.
and the stock tires are 40mm while you switched to 28mm(at widest) tires. Well yeah, that's weight saved because it's a totally different style tire. I could have aggressive trail mtb tires thst are light for their category, change to a 28mm conti gp4k, and save 800 combined grams...but that's apples and oranges.
unless i misunderstood(happens a lot), your example at 650g saved is still significant, but it also creates a totally different bike.
You are right – bad math on my part doubling the weight savings for the wheelset.
For 40mm tires, I use Maxxis Ramblers. Those save 80g each, total 160. So the 250g lighter wheels and 40mm Ramblers save 400g total or a bit under a pound for the package.
03-28-19, 11:10 PM
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Just out: Salsa Warroad. All road gravel road cross road bike.
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_force_1_650
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...-warroad-news/
https://salsacycles.com/bikes/warroa...on_force_1_650
https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...-warroad-news/
as a 650 bike it actually peaks my interest with the shorter chain stays.
Side thought: I wonder how bad it had to hurt them to admit the BB on their new V4 warbird is NOT STIFF. Dissing your own bike, to sell a new bike. Bravo Salsa!!!!
03-29-19, 08:59 AM
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BB drop and BB height are different things. BB drop stays the same with 23mm and 40mm tires.
03-29-19, 12:15 PM
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Interesting that the 5000 Tubless basically adds an innertube to the tire (like Schwalbe does)making a heavier tire, but one that can hold air without sealant. This article says the bead is looser (?). Not sure what the sidewall protection is for a gravely road. I don’t take the 4000 on chunky gravel.
https://road.cc/content/review/25840...d-prix-5000-tl
I do wonder if the Gravel King would be a stronger tire in gravel due to stronger sidewall? (IDK). The gravel king does seem to be lighter (without that built in inner tube). What is the point of having a tubeless tire that can hold air without sealant anyway??? Why carry the extra weight in a performance tire?
BB drop and BB height are different things. BB drop stays the same with 23mm and 40mm tires.
Yep I think you got it. Frame designers typically put more BB drop in a gravel frame because with a 40mm tire, you can have more drop and still have the same BB height as a road bike with 23mm tires.
Thus, you typically will see lower BB drop listed on the specs for a gravel bike compared to a road bike, but in reality they may have the same BB height.
03-29-19, 05:30 PM
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The 2019 Fuji Jari 1.1 carbon might do the trick, if it ever comes out.
2x option is smaller rings though.
2x option is smaller rings though.
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