Old friction shifter compatibility
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Old friction shifter compatibility
Hi, I know nothing about this, so thought I'd ask here. I have downtube friction shifters on my 6 speed trek, if I change the cassette out with a newer one (10sp) would I need to get new shifters or could these work with the much larger set? I know I'd have to get a new derailleur but I'm wondering about the shifters... if they won't work, would anyone have a recommendation where to find a compatible set of downtube shifters?
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Hi, I know nothing about this, so thought I'd ask here. I have downtube friction shifters on my 6 speed trek, if I change the cassette out with a newer one (10sp) would I need to get new shifters or could these work with the much larger set? I know I'd have to get a new derailleur but I'm wondering about the shifters... if they won't work, would anyone have a recommendation where to find a compatible set of downtube shifters?
thanks!!
thanks!!
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Are you sure the 6 speed is a cassette? If it's a freewheel instead of freehub, then a cassette isn't going to work.
You will probably need a new chain.
You will probably need a new chain.
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With Simplex DT friction shifters on an old Bianchi that was 5-speed, I found it will only cover 8 cogs of a 9-speed campy cassette. I have to adjust the RD to choose if I want to achieve the largest cog, or smallest cog - but I can't have both.
Does anyone know if different DT shifters would have a greater range and cover the whole cassette?
Does anyone know if different DT shifters would have a greater range and cover the whole cassette?
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Do do you have a 10spd wheel available to try it? What kind of rear derailleur do you have? Depend on what your trying to do you may not notice a huge difference in the smoothness of shifting between an 8spd and 10. Also be careful you not asking your RD to do more than it is capable of.
Even if it is a cassette the OP will need a new wheel or at the very least a free hub body and axle swap to fit a 10spd cassette.
Even if it is a cassette the OP will need a new wheel or at the very least a free hub body and axle swap to fit a 10spd cassette.
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Good catch Bianchigirll. I've been away from the forum for a while. I'd have caught that if I were still on my old posting/viewing schedule.
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Any 8/9/10-speed rear wheel will probably be 10mm wider across the hub locknuts than your 6-speed. That width can be accommodated by cold-setting the chainstays, best followed by realigning the rear dropouts to be parallel again.
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according to most people who have done this, you'll need newer downtube shifters which have a larger barrel diameter for the cables to wrap around; if you choose to use old ones, you might find that you run out of the necessary cable pull. i also echo the other posts questioning whether your freehub is wide enough to take a 10s cassette; measure the freehub against another freehub that you know can take 8s or larger.
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With Simplex DT friction shifters on an old Bianchi that was 5-speed, I found it will only cover 8 cogs of a 9-speed campy cassette. I have to adjust the RD to choose if I want to achieve the largest cog, or smallest cog - but I can't have both.
Does anyone know if different DT shifters would have a greater range and cover the whole cassette?
Does anyone know if different DT shifters would have a greater range and cover the whole cassette?
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I don’t know what rear derailleur you are planning on using, but I know for certain that a set of basic shimano L-422 ‘light action’ 8speed ratchet friction shifters will work with a 10spd cassette. They can be found pretty cheap all day long on eBay.
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If you can run a 10s cassette and you DT shifters aren't enough, this is a really bargain:
Juego de manetas de cambio para tubo diagonal Shimano Dura-Ace 7900 10v | Chain Reaction Cycles
Juego de manetas de cambio para tubo diagonal Shimano Dura-Ace 7900 10v | Chain Reaction Cycles
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Excuse me, I posted the Spanish CRC page.
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YMMV, but I picked up an 80's bike with downtube shifters, Shimano 105 6 speed indexed. They had enough cable pull to handle a 10 speed cassette, but I did drop the coin for the Dura Ace shifters above.
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If you can run a 10s cassette and you DT shifters aren't enough, this is a really bargain:
Juego de manetas de cambio para tubo diagonal Shimano Dura-Ace 7900 10v | Chain Reaction Cycles
Juego de manetas de cambio para tubo diagonal Shimano Dura-Ace 7900 10v | Chain Reaction Cycles
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I suspect we confused the heck out of the thread author, who needed some help.
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We really don't have enough basic information about the OP's bike, save that it's an "old Trek."
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Yeah. He's definitely confused AF.
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Hi, I know nothing about this, so thought I'd ask here. I have downtube friction shifters on my 6 speed trek, if I change the cassette out with a newer one (10sp) would I need to get new shifters or could these work with the much larger set? I know I'd have to get a new derailleur but I'm wondering about the shifters... if they won't work, would anyone have a recommendation where to find a compatible set of downtube shifters?
thanks!!
thanks!!
I don't see how the rear derailleur really cares so much, as long as it's designed to cover what it covers, 8-9-10 speed, as it's only getting pulled by a shifter. Any friction shifter, if it has the range, should work. I can only say that the Simplex shifters I have will only get you to 8 of 9 cogs on a 9-speed campy cassette (and so will not cover 10 either, in all likelihood).
I'll give Suntour a shot first. I'm reluctant to use Shimano, though I know they'd work, but it's irrational and I'm biased. If this is my only irrational thought (to not use Shimano even though they'd certainly be the superior DT shifter for my use), then I'm doing OK.
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wow, ok, yeah thank you all for responding! I am a little bit overwhelmed with all of it haha, but Id rather have too much info than not enough.
anyway to give some responses to the above, I have a 10sp cassette lying around in the garage, I was going to buy a new wheelset to use with that cassette and put on the bike, assuming that it will fit the bike (I still haven't measured yet). And not even sure what exactly to measure, the space between the QR brackets? or the axle length or is that the same thing. And what type of 'wiggle room' would I have on a steel frame bike? any? is that 4mm difference someone mentioned too much or ok?
currently the DT shifters and the derailleur are shimano 600 series. but it's weird because the shifters are friction, and the derailleur is labeled as SIS, but they are a set? But that is what I have planned to do. I did notice the 6sp on there now is a lot wider spaced between the gears than what a normal 8/9/10sp is, so, MAYBE I would be able to use the derailleur that is on there now also. Not sure.
thanks again for all the tips and suggestions! I like the shimano shifters mentioned above by a couple of you. If the 600 shifters don't have enough range I will likely look at the dura ace, although they are a little high.
I'll try to get in the attic to take some measurements this week.
EDIT: oh yeah, sorry it's a late 70s Trek 510
anyway to give some responses to the above, I have a 10sp cassette lying around in the garage, I was going to buy a new wheelset to use with that cassette and put on the bike, assuming that it will fit the bike (I still haven't measured yet). And not even sure what exactly to measure, the space between the QR brackets? or the axle length or is that the same thing. And what type of 'wiggle room' would I have on a steel frame bike? any? is that 4mm difference someone mentioned too much or ok?
currently the DT shifters and the derailleur are shimano 600 series. but it's weird because the shifters are friction, and the derailleur is labeled as SIS, but they are a set? But that is what I have planned to do. I did notice the 6sp on there now is a lot wider spaced between the gears than what a normal 8/9/10sp is, so, MAYBE I would be able to use the derailleur that is on there now also. Not sure.
thanks again for all the tips and suggestions! I like the shimano shifters mentioned above by a couple of you. If the 600 shifters don't have enough range I will likely look at the dura ace, although they are a little high.
I'll try to get in the attic to take some measurements this week.
EDIT: oh yeah, sorry it's a late 70s Trek 510
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