What do old people ride, lets see your bikes
03-10-16, 08:10 PM
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Since I got this fatbike last year, the rest of the fleet is gathering cobwebs. It is in the surf because saltwater is really good for the drive-train...
03-11-16, 11:22 AM
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03-11-16, 04:43 PM
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Just got the bars wrapped this morning, adjusted the front brake, and took it on its first real ride. I have two sets of wheels for this gravel bike; these are the road wheels. The other set have gravel tires on them. I'm going to wait awhile before I cut down the steerer tube. It's slammed right now, and is still not low enough, (based on the geometry of the bike I used for a pro fitting). That Deda stem is -7 degrees, and they don't make anything more. Maybe 3T has something more radical. I'll see.
Built it up with Ultegra and running a 46/34 on the front and the 11-32 on the rear. Hydraulic Shimano brakes, but I kind of wished I went with mechanical brakes. Ya gotta be a wizard to get hydraulic brakes just right. Won't normally ride with the top tube bag. I just wanted to bring along a few extra tools, just in case. First ride and all, so I might need something. I do need to adjust the rear derailleur. Smallest four cogs are noisy as all get out. Only other change I expect to make is get a couple of Blackburn gloss white carbon bottle cages. I have them on my other bikes, and they work well. These are Leyzne side cages, and I don't like them very much. The bottles always look crooked. Only bummer is that my stages crank doesn't fit on this frame. The chain stays are too thick. Oh well. This is a 2015 frameset and I snagged the last one in the country in my size and color. Had a shop in Oregon order it from Gita, (Pinarello's U.S. importer and distributor).
Built it up with Ultegra and running a 46/34 on the front and the 11-32 on the rear. Hydraulic Shimano brakes, but I kind of wished I went with mechanical brakes. Ya gotta be a wizard to get hydraulic brakes just right. Won't normally ride with the top tube bag. I just wanted to bring along a few extra tools, just in case. First ride and all, so I might need something. I do need to adjust the rear derailleur. Smallest four cogs are noisy as all get out. Only other change I expect to make is get a couple of Blackburn gloss white carbon bottle cages. I have them on my other bikes, and they work well. These are Leyzne side cages, and I don't like them very much. The bottles always look crooked. Only bummer is that my stages crank doesn't fit on this frame. The chain stays are too thick. Oh well. This is a 2015 frameset and I snagged the last one in the country in my size and color. Had a shop in Oregon order it from Gita, (Pinarello's U.S. importer and distributor).
03-11-16, 07:56 PM
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However, to be totally honest, I found that the one thing that gave me the most increase in riding comfort is the tire size. I almost dumped the FP-6 because the ride was so harsh. Every little expansion crack in the asphalt that I went over sent an intense, jarring jolt throughout the whole frame, (and into my body). As a last resort to mitigate the harshness, I switched from 23mm tires to 25mm tires. Oh, what a difference! Just that small, little tweak changed the whole riding character of the bike. It is such a sweat ride now. So much that when I test rode a Domane shortly after they became available, (not just around the block, but on a 16-mile ride in various topographies and road surfaces), I couldn't perceive any appreciable difference or increase in comfort than I already had. No reason to get another bike that didn't offer anything more.
As to responsiveness of the KOBH and the similar geometry FCX; they are long-distance endurance bikes, not sprinting bikes. Even though Sky used the KOBH in races for several years in the spring classics season, (on the cobblestones), it's not meant for pure climbing or sprinting. It's very much a 'cruiser' and very, very stable; which inspires confidence in a ride. Not to say that it won't 'get up and go'. Both the KOBH and FCX were, or are, used by the professional peloton, (just last year, the KOBH/Dogma K was replaced by the Dogma K8-S). I have another bike that is an all out jackrabbit. I just have to think about moving fast, and that bike just seems to magically respond and jumps out there. However, that bike is utterly dreadful on any type of descent. First time down a 6%, right at 35 mph, the bike developed the dreaded "death wobble". I thought I was headed for the hospital for sure that day. (Was able to slow down just enough to mitigate the front wheel side-to-side, violent wobble.) The Pinarellos are straight and true on descents. Never, ever a hiccup. They just feel so solid and true.
They climb okay, I think. Being a larger fellow with about an extra 30 pounds of freight and getting ready to collect social security later this year, I'm a pretty awful and slow climber. The machine and wheelset are able and willing, it's just that the engine is starting to wear out and doesn't run as smoothly as it did when it was fairly new.
In summery, if I already didn't have a KOBH, I wouldn't hesitate at all to get the ROKH. It's a good bike. Nothing wrong with the 30HM12K carbon either. As you can see, the FCX uses that carbon and I have another Pinarello with made with that same quality carbon. (FP Team, sold by Competitive Cyclist a couple years ago, but is really a re-branded Opera Canova, Pinarello's development division). The 30HM12K frames come out of Taiwan, the KOBH was made in Italy, don't know about the FP-6 because it uses 30HM3K carbon. The 30HM12K carbon is Pinarello's 'mid-grade' carbon. They have better, (for about thrice the price), and lesser, (for a lot less).
As you can see in the picture, I haven't cut down the steerer tube yet. Frame must have a huge head tube because the stem is slammed, and still isn't low enough. I need about another centimeter lower to match my fit measurements. The -7 degree Deda stem isn't enough. Looking around for something else, but haven't located what I like yet.
(disclaimer: Except for the FP Team, I've purchased all the above as bare frames and built them up with the components of my choice, which is usually Ultegra. The FP-6 is 7900 D/A.)
Thanks for asking. The ROKH is a good bike. You'll be able to do metric and imperial centuries on it with no issues, (assuming it is fitted to you). If you get one, try to get Ultegra on it.
p.s. FCX has same basic geometry as the KOBH, but is still pretty new to me. As to your question, the ride of my KOBH is more applicable.
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03-11-16, 08:19 PM
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The 'jackrabbit'.
The FP-6 century bike.
FP Team general purpose/climbing bike.
The KOBH, endurance bike.
The FCX you can see above.
Also have a Trek Madone 4.5, Trek 930 Single-Track, Kona Hei Hei, Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, Super Mondia, and Kestrel 4000SL Pro (TT bike). I think I have too many bikes.
The FP-6 century bike.
FP Team general purpose/climbing bike.
The KOBH, endurance bike.
The FCX you can see above.
Also have a Trek Madone 4.5, Trek 930 Single-Track, Kona Hei Hei, Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, Super Mondia, and Kestrel 4000SL Pro (TT bike). I think I have too many bikes.
03-12-16, 03:19 PM
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My purchased new, 1984 Cannondale: Campy; hubs, BB, chainring, pedals, front derail., headset, and seatpost, Mavic rear derail., Modolo brakes, handlebar and stem, Brooks saddle, Araya rims, and a Spurcycle bell! I know, way outdated but I have soo many years of memories riding this bike!
03-12-16, 04:55 PM
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03-12-16, 05:00 PM
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Great review on the Kobh! That really does sound like a great bike. It has the same carbon as the Dogma, right? A friend with a Dogma F8 (who owns a bike shop) reports that he's never rode another bike that absorbed vibration the way the Dogma does. I'm going to keep thinking about the Rokh. Like you, I'd like to build it up for my fit and put Ultra Di2 on it. However, they don't sell it as frame set only so it might not be cost effective. We'll see. BTW, I love the look of that FP6. I think you've got just the right number of bikes....
03-12-16, 07:28 PM
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Sweet C'dale Eatonkid, I love the older 'Dales, wish I had kept my original '01 SR300 Criterium. At least my R500 is with our daughter, in Atlanta. Love the blue colourway on yours.
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03-12-16, 07:43 PM
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My purchased new, 1984 Cannondale: Campy; hubs, BB, chainring, pedals, front derail., headset, and seatpost, Mavic rear derail., Modolo brakes, handlebar and stem, Brooks saddle, Araya rims, and a Spurcycle bell! I know, way outdated but I have soo many years of memories riding this bike!
How about an '88 Criterium Series??
03-13-16, 04:21 PM
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03-13-16, 04:35 PM
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Sometimes Old(?) People Ride Old Bicycles...
Here's a shot from this morning that looks like 1956 or so...
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And another that brings us back to the present:
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It was a nice, easy ride under threatening skies. This old Raleigh has a ride quality that I haven't experienced in any of the modern bikes I've ridden. One day, I hope to try a Pashley. It must have something to do with this laid-back, slack geometry:
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That, my friends, is insouciance on wheels.
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[/IMG]It was a nice, easy ride under threatening skies. This old Raleigh has a ride quality that I haven't experienced in any of the modern bikes I've ridden. One day, I hope to try a Pashley. It must have something to do with this laid-back, slack geometry:
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[/IMG]That, my friends, is insouciance on wheels.
03-14-16, 11:33 AM
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Yes. At that time, the KOBH was made in Italy with the same carbon as the Dogma. There have been two 'improvements' in carbon since then. From 60HM1k to 65HM1k for a couple of years and then the current T1100 1k. The 30HM12K remains their mid-grade carbon weave for road bikes.
03-15-16, 05:38 PM
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I think I've decided to order the Pinarello Rokh. I was looking very hard at an Orbea Avant M20id--similar geometry and I could buy just the frame set for a custom build out, plus it has disk brakes and I've become a big fan of those. My bike shop will give me a little credit for parts I take off the stock Rokh, mostly to add Ultegra Di2. I'm going with the white/black model and was planning to change out the seat. However, the Rokh comes with a white seat and I love how they look on your bikes. Comfort will rule in the end (literally)--what saddle are you using?
03-15-16, 07:49 PM
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I ride a 1998 Trek 8000SL that I bought new in January 1999. This pic is from before I switched the fork over to a Rockshox.
I also ride a 2013 Trek Madone 3.1.
And this is my latest toy... a 2016 Trek Fuel EX8 27.5.
Yes, the local Trek retailer is that good/competent.
I also ride a 2013 Trek Madone 3.1.
And this is my latest toy... a 2016 Trek Fuel EX8 27.5.
Yes, the local Trek retailer is that good/competent.
03-16-16, 02:27 PM
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My N+1, a Trek 5500.
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I have NEVER regretted going on a ride;
I have often regretted not going when I could have!
I am grateful for the headwind that challenged me today!
I am grateful for the tailwind that helped me go fast!
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03-16-16, 06:09 PM
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Hers one of them 1974 Jim Merz personal custom.
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03-19-16, 02:54 PM
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New toy!
Well, at least parts of it are new. 1984 Batavus Professional frame with Campy 10 speed Veloce groupset.
Well, at least parts of it are new. 1984 Batavus Professional frame with Campy 10 speed Veloce groupset.
03-21-16, 08:57 AM
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