Red Hook race canceled 2019
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What would be the gearing restrictions? Perhaps impose a rather low gear, forcing riders to spin out? That, of course, would benefit some riders, but be a serious impediment to others.
I assume the Red Hook courses are relatively flat.
One option would be to add say a 1/2 mile 5% climb/descent into the middle of the course, and force riders to choose gearing for the entire course.
I assume the Red Hook courses are relatively flat.
One option would be to add say a 1/2 mile 5% climb/descent into the middle of the course, and force riders to choose gearing for the entire course.
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Descending in a pack of fixed gear riders without brakes is an intensely frightening experience, if you haven't done it before you won't understand. A big descent would certainly exceed the skill level of even more racers than the current course designs.
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What would be the gearing restrictions? Perhaps impose a rather low gear, forcing riders to spin out? That, of course, would benefit some riders, but be a serious impediment to others.
I assume the Red Hook courses are relatively flat.
One option would be to add say a 1/2 mile 5% climb/descent into the middle of the course, and force riders to choose gearing for the entire course.
I assume the Red Hook courses are relatively flat.
One option would be to add say a 1/2 mile 5% climb/descent into the middle of the course, and force riders to choose gearing for the entire course.
Climbs/descents in FG races are a bad idea, IMO. I recall a video from one of the youtubers I follow where he showed up to a fixed crit to discover that the course featured a descent into a hairpin turn. And then it started raining. Another example of bad course design creating an unnecessarily unsafe race. The guy making the video wisely chose not to race it.
The points above about the open registration are also an issue. There's just so many things that coalesced to make RHC a ridiculously dangerous race. I think they should make some significant changes if/when they come back for the sake of the riders.
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We had a local crit that I raced as a kid. Moderate hill climb/descent with a hairpin turn at the bottom, and a slight uphill sprint to the finish. Straw bales lining the corner, they knew it was problematic. But the race has been stopped for a couple of decades.
But, I'm not convinced that it has to be designed that way.
One race I went to (don't remember if I raced or my brother raced) was on a paved outdoor track, maybe a mile or two loop on a small hill. Unfortunately now converted to the local garbage dump. I don't believe there were any corners too tight for a bicycle as I'm sure the track was designed for cars, motorcycles, or gocarts.
I'm not sure I know of many public streets that would have drops and lead-outs or rollers to slow down cyclists, and gentle corners (banked or not, but without any negative banking). Certainly not all hills and overpasses have corners at the bottom, but closing major intersections can be problematic.
Perhaps I should look at the local community college parking lot. It might be easy enough to get it made available for a Sunday.
It would be a unique to design a new city subdivision to specifically build a bicycle track into the street design.
Of course, one could say that dangerous corners, pinch points, & etc are all part of the sport.
But, I'm not convinced that it has to be designed that way.
One race I went to (don't remember if I raced or my brother raced) was on a paved outdoor track, maybe a mile or two loop on a small hill. Unfortunately now converted to the local garbage dump. I don't believe there were any corners too tight for a bicycle as I'm sure the track was designed for cars, motorcycles, or gocarts.
I'm not sure I know of many public streets that would have drops and lead-outs or rollers to slow down cyclists, and gentle corners (banked or not, but without any negative banking). Certainly not all hills and overpasses have corners at the bottom, but closing major intersections can be problematic.
Perhaps I should look at the local community college parking lot. It might be easy enough to get it made available for a Sunday.
It would be a unique to design a new city subdivision to specifically build a bicycle track into the street design.
Of course, one could say that dangerous corners, pinch points, & etc are all part of the sport.
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I'm not a fan of any turn that requires braking. You have to consider the turn itself and then the course conditions and then how fast some one might be taking it on an attack. I'm a good bike handler as well but braking (whether manual oy by FG drivetrain resistance) is an inherent hazard, esp. if you're in the pack.
The best solution? Attack! You can take technical sections faster as a solo rider and it's safer too
The best solution? Attack! You can take technical sections faster as a solo rider and it's safer too
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