Planemaker

I've been spinning regularly for the last several weeks so that when the weather turns I'll be ready to ride outside.

Now that it's starting to get warm and more importantly the time changes in two weeks, I'm looking forward to my evening rides after work (usually 25 miles on gravel).

The YMCA does offer an early morning HIIT class two days a week and I'm considering doing these along with my outdoor riding. I was wondering what the advantages and disadvantages of doing two HIIT classes a week along with riding 3 to 4 days during the week (25 miles each) and as many as 100 miles on the weekends.

canklecat

Since this is a 50+ post, two HIIT sessions a week may be too much with another 3-4 rides a week. Try it and see.

Last year I felt stalled after two years back on the bike, riding hybrids at a mostly casual pace. I was faster on flats and could ride longer distances, but was still thwarted by hills. So last June I bought a good used road bike and started HIIT, following some of the variations suggested on GCN videos. My main goal was to improve my stamina and recovery time on climbs.

I made rapid gains and was finally able to finish difficult hills that used to force me to stop at the top to use my inhaler and catch my breath for a few minutes. And I was a little faster on lesser hilly routes. I was able to ride 20-30 mile roller coaster routes without stopping to rest.

But after 2-3 HIIT sessions a week I finally hit a wall in August-September and was suddenly exhausted. I was over-training, not getting enough protein, not getting enough rest.

I cut back to one HIIT session a week, then longer rides at a sustainable effort on everything else. By November my speed was back, and I felt like I hadn't really lost anything. My speed was better on some longish personal segments of 2-10 miles, and I even cracked the top ten on a few Strava segments although that wasn't a priority. It just happened.

I added more protein supplements after reviewing and tracking my diet -- I was way under on protein and total calories for the effort expended, which surprised me. Turns out just eating when I felt hungry wasn't good enough.

After getting the flu in late December-early January, I stopped HIIT completely. Just one casual ride a week was all I could handle. I finally feel back to normal now, almost two months later. So I'll start one HIIT session a week next month. Not gonna rush it because I had so many relapses with flu symptoms this winter.

Incidentally, you may find supervised HIIT training on an indoor bike to be different from outdoor, especially solo. With solo outdoor training I usually stopped just short of maximum possible effort because it's dangerous to put out a true 100% effort. If you push to maximum possible effort outdoors there's a risk of falling while being momentarily dizzy, nauseous and disoriented.

According to some trainers and participants, a true HIIT effort will hurt and make you feel momentarily sick. So even if you already have good baseline fitness, and your heart, etc., can handle HIIT (be careful if you have high blood pressure, history of strokes, etc.), it's risky on a solo bike ride outdoors. If you watch the GCN videos, the presenters (usually Matt, Simon and Daniel) will work together in outdoor sessions and two of the three will hang around the end of the maximum effort zone to assist the one doing the maximum effort to help them with balance.

I almost always ride solo outdoors and don't have an indoor trainer or go to the gym. So if I plan on a 10 second or 30 second maximum effort sprint or climb, and feel like I'm about to redline sooner, I'll ease up. I'm still getting the benefit of the harder training, compared with my former practice of emphasizing distance over effort.

And I'll occasionally do HIIT exercises at home with shorter rest periods, because the risk of falling is much lower. But on the bike I'll rest for a full minute or longer between efforts. I'm not training for competition, just to get fitter to enjoy my rides, so there's no point in risking passing out and falling. However, I do wish I'd known about HIIT when I was younger and an amateur boxer. It would have improved my stamina for the three 3-minute rounds.

Planemaker

Thanks so much for the detailed response.

I just checked the schedule and the YMCA branch that I go to has only one HIIT class per week. I'm guessing this might be purposeful for some of the reasons you described.

donheff

Many HIIT classes are quite intense and extended. But a lot of research shows that brief high intensity sprints ( ie. a set of 6 all out 30 second sprints, each followed with 1 minute moderate spinning) will get you most of the fitness you need. Body by Science says a similar brief group of 5-6 core weight lifting exercises taking muscles to exhaustion in single sets of 8-12 will achieve good muscle training. I use that approach in the winter and when the good weather arrives I substitute the sprints with riding and keep up the weights. If you don't routinely do all out sprints during your rides you could undoubtedly keep doing one or two of the spinning sets with no problem.

caloso

You have to define HIIT here. Is it an all body crossfit thing?

mpath

OP, is there a cycling goal in this - such as a race or event you're training for - or just overall health and cardio benefit?

If I had my druthers (ie. "retired"), I'd certainly be on the bike as much as time and weather allows.

rando_couche

That's my aim in life!


Based on experience, I'd suggest following a formal training plan and not just riding a lot and doing intervals a couple times a week. I was able to get away with the latter for a long time, but no more.


I'm currently on a 12-week "century" training program from "Training Programs for Cyclists" by Gale Burnhart. The volume is MUCH less than I'm used to but I'm fitter and feeling stronger than I have in years.


Of course, we'll see how well it's really working when I ride my first 200k in April. But the initial indications are very positive.


SP
OC, OR

Gerryattrick

Weather, time and family issues have meant I have not done as much cycling as I usually do so far this year. In the limited time I have I started going to the gym, which is less than 5 minutes from my home.

I have tried to make the most of this limited time by devising my own regime called HIFAVOGIT or "high intensity for a very old geezer interval training". I think it works for me, but I won't know until I start riding more.

Garfield Cat

Its about time spent on just about anything. A one hour ride becomes two hours when considering the preparation and the post ride activities. Add intensive training to do "something", and it becomes a time away from something else.

Jim from Boston

High Intensity Interval Training

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Originally Posted by Gerryattrick

Weather, time and family issues have meant I have not done as much cycling as I usually do so far this year. In the limited time I have I started going to the gym, which is less than 5 minutes from my home.

I have tried to make the most of this limited time by devising my own regime called HIFAVOGIT or "high intensity for a very old geezer interval training". I think it works for me, but I won't know until I star triding more.

FYA, I posted my own personalized training program (link)But riding faster does get you there quicker.