Some advice: Broken TT cable guide
03-01-17, 03:19 PM
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Some advice: Broken TT cable guide
Life is still hammering me, haven't had time for anything, sorry friends.
I could really use some drive-by advice though, if anyone is willing.
Picked up an immaculate '86 Corsa Mondiale via eBay, another Lawee bike joins the stable. Sadly, it arrived with shipping damage - a split cable guide, one is smushed, and the computer mount was FUBAR. Seller was cool about it, refunded 15% to cover repairs. All-stock except for the 105 shift levers, stem and bars.
Anyone have advice on repair of this guide? Paint is flawless, so I'd love something low-invasive like soldering, then a touch-up (or similar). Torching this bike would be nuts; I got a quote of $60 to replace guide and primer going that route, though.
I could really use some drive-by advice though, if anyone is willing.
Picked up an immaculate '86 Corsa Mondiale via eBay, another Lawee bike joins the stable. Sadly, it arrived with shipping damage - a split cable guide, one is smushed, and the computer mount was FUBAR. Seller was cool about it, refunded 15% to cover repairs. All-stock except for the 105 shift levers, stem and bars.
Anyone have advice on repair of this guide? Paint is flawless, so I'd love something low-invasive like soldering, then a touch-up (or similar). Torching this bike would be nuts; I got a quote of $60 to replace guide and primer going that route, though.
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03-01-17, 03:29 PM
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Oh, and here are some more images in all its Electric Rose glory: Imgur: 1986 Bertoni Corsa Mondiale
Even got the original owner's service manual.
Even got the original owner's service manual.
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My first attempt would be to clean it well, apply a drop of automotive panel bonding adhesive to one side of the break, and tap it back together with a small hammer using a bit of wood or dense rubber to protect the guide from the hammer blows.
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03-01-17, 04:42 PM
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I think epoxy and tapping it back in place would work. There's really no force being applied to it. I epoxied a toptube guide on once with no issues.
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03-01-17, 05:04 PM
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As above, but I'd use JB Weld.
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I agree on the epoxy or JB and tap back down. Maybe look for nail polish to match after it drys. No loads or stresses on that.
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Tap it back in place as said and if you need to secure it use thick super glue and not much.
03-01-17, 07:22 PM
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The smushed one is going to take real finesse. I had that problem beforehand. I still the cable guide completely flattened ? Can you get a fine bladed small screw driver under to gently pry it up? From there you can use the smooth ends of drill bits to slowly bring it up and keep it round. Takes time and some paint at the end.
Good luck!
Good luck!
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Well, that's really a bummer. There is no really good easy fix. A proper fix will involve repainting, and of course you don't want to do that.
So, treat the brazing and repainting option as the most extreme option, one that remains an option no matter what you do.
Before you go that route, you can carefully file of the damaged guide and replace it with a clamp or a glued-on guide.
Before you do that, try to fix them as well as possible. For the smashed one, I'd insert a gently tapered steel tool, like an awl maybe; tap it in until the hole is round, then tap it back out again.
The broken one, insert the same tool and tap the bent metal down until the crack closes up. I don't think any glue, epoxy, JBWeld or anything is going to do any good, likely just make a mess that's hard to clean up.
So, treat the brazing and repainting option as the most extreme option, one that remains an option no matter what you do.
Before you go that route, you can carefully file of the damaged guide and replace it with a clamp or a glued-on guide.
Before you do that, try to fix them as well as possible. For the smashed one, I'd insert a gently tapered steel tool, like an awl maybe; tap it in until the hole is round, then tap it back out again.
The broken one, insert the same tool and tap the bent metal down until the crack closes up. I don't think any glue, epoxy, JBWeld or anything is going to do any good, likely just make a mess that's hard to clean up.
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Isn't JB Weld mostly epoxy with aluminum powder mixed into it??
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! Just coming back up for air again. I've got the more smushed one taken care of - used nail set method I outlined over here. Still need to deal with the other one, just haven't had time. Funny, I have the least time right now and simultaneously some of the best bike deals I've seen in ages are popping up on CL... Got an awesome 1974ish Moto Grand Touring for $25 the other day (missed a Windsor Carrerra in blue with chrome lugs from the same guy for $25 
) and a full 600 Schwinn Super Sport today for $75. Now I need storage!
) and a full 600 Schwinn Super Sport today for $75. Now I need storage!
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Well, that's really a bummer. There is no really good easy fix. A proper fix will involve repainting, and of course you don't want to do that.
So, treat the brazing and repainting option as the most extreme option, one that remains an option no matter what you do.
Before you go that route, you can carefully file of the damaged guide and replace it with a clamp or a glued-on guide.
Before you do that, try to fix them as well as possible. For the smashed one, I'd insert a gently tapered steel tool, like an awl maybe; tap it in until the hole is round, then tap it back out again.
The broken one, insert the same tool and tap the bent metal down until the crack closes up. I don't think any glue, epoxy, JBWeld or anything is going to do any good, likely just make a mess that's hard to clean up.
So, treat the brazing and repainting option as the most extreme option, one that remains an option no matter what you do.
Before you go that route, you can carefully file of the damaged guide and replace it with a clamp or a glued-on guide.
Before you do that, try to fix them as well as possible. For the smashed one, I'd insert a gently tapered steel tool, like an awl maybe; tap it in until the hole is round, then tap it back out again.
The broken one, insert the same tool and tap the bent metal down until the crack closes up. I don't think any glue, epoxy, JBWeld or anything is going to do any good, likely just make a mess that's hard to clean up.
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Life is still hammering me, haven't had time for anything, sorry friends.
I could really use some drive-by advice though, if anyone is willing.
Picked up an immaculate '86 Corsa Mondiale via eBay, another Lawee bike joins the stable. Sadly, it arrived with shipping damage - a split cable guide, one is smushed, and the computer mount was FUBAR. Seller was cool about it, refunded 15% to cover repairs, and I walked out the door for less than $250 shipped which is a winner any day. All stock except for the 105 shift levers, stem and bars.
Anyone have advice on repair of this guide? Paint is flawless, so I'd love something low-invasive like soldering, then a touch-up (or similar). Torching this bike would be nuts; I got a quote of $60 to replace guide and primer going that route, though.
I could really use some drive-by advice though, if anyone is willing.
Picked up an immaculate '86 Corsa Mondiale via eBay, another Lawee bike joins the stable. Sadly, it arrived with shipping damage - a split cable guide, one is smushed, and the computer mount was FUBAR. Seller was cool about it, refunded 15% to cover repairs, and I walked out the door for less than $250 shipped which is a winner any day. All stock except for the 105 shift levers, stem and bars.
Anyone have advice on repair of this guide? Paint is flawless, so I'd love something low-invasive like soldering, then a touch-up (or similar). Torching this bike would be nuts; I got a quote of $60 to replace guide and primer going that route, though.
Worked for me...GL, Ben
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Tap down the opened one as suggested and then use a small awl on the flattened one....use a thick electrical tape for cushioning (not duct tape) on both sides of the guide and work the awl on each side of the guide a bit at a time until you open it up.
Worked for me...GL, Ben
Worked for me...GL, Ben
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...le-guides.htmlSeemed like a good frame to do a write-up on, instead of this one. I haven't repaired the broken cable guide, though. I still need a good solution for the broken guide that isn't "try some JB Weld!"
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Kinda like this? https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...le-guides.html
Seemed like a good frame to do a write-up on, instead of this one. I haven't repaired the broken cable guide, though. I still need a good solution for the broken guide that isn't "try some JB Weld!"
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...le-guides.htmlSeemed like a good frame to do a write-up on, instead of this one. I haven't repaired the broken cable guide, though. I still need a good solution for the broken guide that isn't "try some JB Weld!"
Best, Ben
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Definitely, but it's OK, I definitely, really appreciate the advice anyway. Ultimately I should've taped the TT in the work above with painters tape, but the frame was in such crap shape I didn't think it mattered.
That's an old 62cm (ish) PB-14 frame I've got in the attic, got it as a freebie. Was converted to fixie and was banged all to hell.
That's an old 62cm (ish) PB-14 frame I've got in the attic, got it as a freebie. Was converted to fixie and was banged all to hell.
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Definitely, but it's OK, I definitely, really appreciate the advice anyway. Ultimately I should've taped the TT in the work above with painters tape, but the frame was in such crap shape I didn't think it mattered.
That's an old 62cm (ish) PB-14 frame I've got in the attic, got it as a freebie. Was converted to fixie and was banged all to hell.
That's an old 62cm (ish) PB-14 frame I've got in the attic, got it as a freebie. Was converted to fixie and was banged all to hell.
Best, Ben
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