New bike - extra charge for pedals?
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The bike had better come with tuna.
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I guess we'll have to disagree then, you're saying virtually every shop in the U.S. is skeezy because they do what their customers want. Also, nobody wants to talk about reflectors. The shop I work for doesn't put reflectors on most bikes that cost over $1000. Those customers know what they want and will ask if they want the reflectors put on. Hybrids, kids bikes and other low-end bikes get reflectors. Safety is a tricky subject. If an inexperienced person thought that cpsc minimum reflectors make them at all safe at night, then they are a disservice.
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rebel1916 I would have been surprised if you had anything insightful to offer!
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it’s totally skeezy...completely unethical. If someone needs laws to have teeth to make them compliant, that’s skeezy, too. “No cop, no stop,” is that how we should roll?
I have no problem with the shop removing them if the customer wants, but to suggest that shops not only disregard their legal obligation, and further, make it incumbent upon the buyer to ask for what is supposed to come with the bike, is pretty slimy. Give buyers what they’re supposed to have, and let them decide what do with it.
I’d guess that most people who shop at bike shops are either pretty inexperienced and haven’t thought ever in their life about reflectors, have never given any consideration to bicycle safety and were not taught about it in school, or have no idea that a bike wouldn’t come with reflectors and therefore wouldn’t think to ask about them. I don’t know that’s true, of course, nor do we know the converse is true, or even that a large percentage of buyers don’t want reflectors; correct me if there’s indicative data on that, but I’ e never seen it. Given that, and that reflectors are inexpensive, effective, easy to install and remove safety items for the general public good and have no deleterious effect on the bike or rider, the ethical, non-skeezy position for a shop to take is to mount them as required by law, or at the minimum include them with sale.
Further, it seems to me that a shop could use the reflector discussion to show distinctive service and care to the customer, and use as an upsell strategy for lights. That’s good business. Denying customers their due is not. That’s skeezy, like the OP’s shop and the pedals.
I have no problem with the shop removing them if the customer wants, but to suggest that shops not only disregard their legal obligation, and further, make it incumbent upon the buyer to ask for what is supposed to come with the bike, is pretty slimy. Give buyers what they’re supposed to have, and let them decide what do with it.
I’d guess that most people who shop at bike shops are either pretty inexperienced and haven’t thought ever in their life about reflectors, have never given any consideration to bicycle safety and were not taught about it in school, or have no idea that a bike wouldn’t come with reflectors and therefore wouldn’t think to ask about them. I don’t know that’s true, of course, nor do we know the converse is true, or even that a large percentage of buyers don’t want reflectors; correct me if there’s indicative data on that, but I’ e never seen it. Given that, and that reflectors are inexpensive, effective, easy to install and remove safety items for the general public good and have no deleterious effect on the bike or rider, the ethical, non-skeezy position for a shop to take is to mount them as required by law, or at the minimum include them with sale.
Further, it seems to me that a shop could use the reflector discussion to show distinctive service and care to the customer, and use as an upsell strategy for lights. That’s good business. Denying customers their due is not. That’s skeezy, like the OP’s shop and the pedals.
rebel1916 I would have been surprised if you had anything insightful to offer!
Either way, I'll bet you don't get invited to many parties.
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I win, I party, I'm passionate, my bikes are niche and come with pedals...I admit I've got it pretty good.
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Oh believe me, I know it's always sad when I have to put sh*t back up in someone's face because they don't have any sense. BTDT.
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I’d guess that most people who shop at bike shops are either pretty inexperienced and haven’t thought ever in their life about reflectors, have never given any consideration to bicycle safety and were not taught about it in school, or have no idea that a bike wouldn’t come with reflectors and therefore wouldn’t think to ask about them.
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In my opinion, they probably shouldn't come with saddles, either. They usually are replaced pretty quickly. What would be cool is if the bike manufacturers would provide 3 or so selections for the purchaser, and they could fit the one they liked best.
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Trek has Project One where you have multiple options for each component.
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I followed the link and was surprised to see the requirement that bikes have reflectors. I went to look at my bike just to be sure... and it doesn't have reflectors. I'm guessing my LBS just didn't put them on when they assembled the bike. Looks like I'm riding illegally every time I take the bike out.
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Not really. The retailer must ensure they are installed when sold. If the consumer pulls them off, that's on them as far as the law goes. It's kind of like the 6" tags hanging off of your pillows when you buy them. Everyone cuts them off, but the retailer must sell them with tags on.
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This thread is veering off into the personal, which is never a good thing because everyone knows people are horrible, but it's against the forum rules to point that out in any specific case.
I don't suppose it would be a big loss if I were to close it.
I don't suppose it would be a big loss if I were to close it.
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Having to buy pedals for a new bike is not unlike having to buy the power cable extra for a clothes dryer.
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We should all reflect on these wise words, and stop peddling our personal issues.
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Shop should give you some pedals
The shop that tries to charge you is looking for transactions, not relationships. They don’t care about serious cyclists.
The ones that try to help are the good shops. Give them your business. They’re out there.
And yeah, it’s handy to have a pair of
flat pedals if you are riding with the kids and don’t want to get all lycra’d up...
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It is common, as most cyclists are accustomed to a certain pedal/cleat combo, and thus have a preference.
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so many people, myself included, have been willing to chime in on this from a position of ignorance.
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You paid for them, they owe you them.
Ive never ever been given a bike I purchased with no pedals. The lbs owes you a pair; even if theyre budget pedals. Even though I always throw mallets on my bikes. Those are your spares if ever needed.
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Shops around here throw a pair of cheapo nylon pedals on the display bikes so you can take them for a test ride and just leave them on when they sell a bike. Never heard of anyone asking if you actually want pedals or, even worse, charging for them.