cycling in the heat + power data
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cycling in the heat + power data
I'm curious where people draw the line when it comes to working out in the heat. At what
point do you check the temperature and say it's just not worth it?
I seem to do ok up to about 90 or so if I'm well hydrated and not doing anything particularly
strenuous. If it's any hotter than that or if it's a tough workout, I'll just go indoors on the trainer.
What are other people doing?
For people who train with power, I'm also wondering what sort of dropoff (if any) you see in your power numbers when it's really hot out.
point do you check the temperature and say it's just not worth it?
I seem to do ok up to about 90 or so if I'm well hydrated and not doing anything particularly
strenuous. If it's any hotter than that or if it's a tough workout, I'll just go indoors on the trainer.
What are other people doing?
For people who train with power, I'm also wondering what sort of dropoff (if any) you see in your power numbers when it's really hot out.
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Out here in the desert, up to 105 is doable. With enough water sources, that is.
But remember, it's very low humidity. And swigging from a hot water bottle takes the spirit out of it Right Away
But remember, it's very low humidity. And swigging from a hot water bottle takes the spirit out of it Right Away
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See I can handle the heat but it is the humidity that gets to me, Oklahoma is terrible right now in that respect. In addition I'm not exaggerating but today when I checked weather.com for the current temp before my ride it said 80 but feels like 92, which means it was a bit on the muggy side.
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I love the heat. Having said that over 102 it gets tough. I find the water in my bottles gets very hot even when packed with ice rather quickly, within 10 to 15 miles. It is only good for pouring on the head and legs at this point so fresh water stops are important if going over 30 miles. (I program stores and public coolers on the way.)
Spinning is okay, but hills and strong head winds can be very aggravating. Hills that normally are a spin to the top feel like riding in 2” deep carpet or sponge. The leg muscles just loose their snap and seem to be stretchy. (Like riding on flat tires!) A sprint to catch a light can expose how close to the edge you can be. It also messes with the head. It can be a little disorienting like becoming disconnected and distant from what is going on outside of you. (Looking through a tunnel)
Riding from Tucson to Mesa or Phoenix there are some very strong winds at times that make the distance seem to double, (and dusty) in the heat it can be the difference to break you. I have just about lost it because I did not consider this and expended more energy than I banked on early. The available energy drops off quickly in the heat, it is easy to get nauseas, and that hurts too. High sugar drinks (like Gatorade) make me lose it; half strength is the most I can take and only in one of two bottles. It is important to have a place to get into and cool down at the end of the ride. Stopping in the heat is no good as you lose evaporative airflow, cruising slow while cooling down is better. (Chills are a definite sign you are close to bonking.) Overheating can drain you for a couple days.
Having said this I love coming in covered with salt like I rolled in the sand… Dizzy and exhausted having ridden where many folks won’t. When I ride in cooler weather after these high temp rides, I feel I have gained more of a training effect than if only in the cooler air. (It may be in my head.) Nothing flushes the system like heat. (Or challenges it.) Go figure… I hate riding in the cold! (I start to whine in no time.)
Spinning is okay, but hills and strong head winds can be very aggravating. Hills that normally are a spin to the top feel like riding in 2” deep carpet or sponge. The leg muscles just loose their snap and seem to be stretchy. (Like riding on flat tires!) A sprint to catch a light can expose how close to the edge you can be. It also messes with the head. It can be a little disorienting like becoming disconnected and distant from what is going on outside of you. (Looking through a tunnel)
Riding from Tucson to Mesa or Phoenix there are some very strong winds at times that make the distance seem to double, (and dusty) in the heat it can be the difference to break you. I have just about lost it because I did not consider this and expended more energy than I banked on early. The available energy drops off quickly in the heat, it is easy to get nauseas, and that hurts too. High sugar drinks (like Gatorade) make me lose it; half strength is the most I can take and only in one of two bottles. It is important to have a place to get into and cool down at the end of the ride. Stopping in the heat is no good as you lose evaporative airflow, cruising slow while cooling down is better. (Chills are a definite sign you are close to bonking.) Overheating can drain you for a couple days.
Having said this I love coming in covered with salt like I rolled in the sand… Dizzy and exhausted having ridden where many folks won’t. When I ride in cooler weather after these high temp rides, I feel I have gained more of a training effect than if only in the cooler air. (It may be in my head.) Nothing flushes the system like heat. (Or challenges it.) Go figure… I hate riding in the cold! (I start to whine in no time.)
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I hate hot weather - but I was out doing a lot of climbing in 100+ degree heat yesterday. Lots and lots of water (it helped that the humidity was low). One thing I've found is that training in the heat definitely builds a certain level of tolerance for it.
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Raced in 38 degrees 2 weekends ago, and the road temp was 43 degrees (what's that in Fahrenheit?). Still came 10th! I regularly ride 3-4 hours training in the same conditions, and commute to work at midday every day. and this is Taipei, it's HUMID. you have no option but to ride above 35 degrees on sunny days.
The more you do it, the better you get at it, and as long as you're moving it's not too bad. and it gives you more endurance for those days when it's not so hot. Just drink a lot, and throw water over your head to cool down. Agreed, your power drops off if you are not used to it but otherwise, what's the difference if you can keep cool enough?
The more you do it, the better you get at it, and as long as you're moving it's not too bad. and it gives you more endurance for those days when it's not so hot. Just drink a lot, and throw water over your head to cool down. Agreed, your power drops off if you are not used to it but otherwise, what's the difference if you can keep cool enough?
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I have a problem when it gets much greater than - 87. Particularily if it is humid. Guess, if it were all downhill, i'd be ok. But, slowing down uphill, the sweat consumes my glasses and can't even see whats ahead. I hate heat. I might go out between 87-92, but I start looking for excueses. I'd rather ride at night in such conditions. Particularily last year, after i caught a case of heat exhaustion. It gives you the shakes. It's awful. Took a valium shot to get my breathing back to normal.
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All depends on the humidity, at 18% I've ridden in the low 100s. When the humidity is 60% or greater then low 90s is about the highest I've ridden in. The nice thing about low humidity is that when you get some shade the temps may be 10-15 degrees cooler and you get some really nice relief. The worst part about the heat for me is traffic lights, riding is Ok but when I'm sitting still at a light baking it really hits me hard.
While I don't ride with power my HR will start increasing as I become overheated/dehydrated. Last Sunday on an easy 60mile ride I had to bail out early because my HR climbed to a point I new I was getting in trouble, see below.
While I don't ride with power my HR will start increasing as I become overheated/dehydrated. Last Sunday on an easy 60mile ride I had to bail out early because my HR climbed to a point I new I was getting in trouble, see below.
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The key for me is water...on rides longer than 50 mi....(usual Sat. wanderings) I always have 4 water bottles mounted....all 4 insulated bottles...I fill them about 1/4 of the way, the night before and put them in the freezer....top them off just before I leave, 3 with water and 1 with a Gatorade type....I also usually throw 1 pannier on and throw a few more bottles of water in there, along with sandwiches, a banana and an apple or 2....
Normal temps now will be in the '90's with very high humidity.....some days I think I should bring a machete to just cut the air in front of me...did a 66 mi trip and a 76 mile trip in 100-102 temps with probably humidity in the 80/90% area, last Sept.....I ran slower, stopped in the shade more often...when I felt like I was overheating, I took a few minutes break under a shade tree....depending upon where I am and whether I have access and the need to replace the water, I'll spray some water over me....
With commuting 25 miles r/t every day, I am probably more acclimated to the heat than many, so I feel I can tell when it is affecting me.....probably earlier than a weekend rider, so I slow earlier and stop more often....
I actually like these type of days.....on the back roads, when it is this hot, even the cars are rare....then I can see much more wildlife....
You just need to be careful, and understand the challenge.....there is no such thing as an obstacle, just a different level of a challenge.
Normal temps now will be in the '90's with very high humidity.....some days I think I should bring a machete to just cut the air in front of me...did a 66 mi trip and a 76 mile trip in 100-102 temps with probably humidity in the 80/90% area, last Sept.....I ran slower, stopped in the shade more often...when I felt like I was overheating, I took a few minutes break under a shade tree....depending upon where I am and whether I have access and the need to replace the water, I'll spray some water over me....
With commuting 25 miles r/t every day, I am probably more acclimated to the heat than many, so I feel I can tell when it is affecting me.....probably earlier than a weekend rider, so I slow earlier and stop more often....
I actually like these type of days.....on the back roads, when it is this hot, even the cars are rare....then I can see much more wildlife....
You just need to be careful, and understand the challenge.....there is no such thing as an obstacle, just a different level of a challenge.
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Snicklefritz,
Are your races in hot weather sometimes? If so, I think you need to ride outdoors when it's hot.
I try to ride early in the day in the summer, but when I have to ride mid day, I console myself with the thought that I'm acclimating for races that are going to be mid day, and hot.
Are your races in hot weather sometimes? If so, I think you need to ride outdoors when it's hot.
I try to ride early in the day in the summer, but when I have to ride mid day, I console myself with the thought that I'm acclimating for races that are going to be mid day, and hot.
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Was 110 here in phoenix, I have to start at sunrise to beat the heat. I still drew the line at 35 miles because it gets hot quick. Plus some Borat on cannondale blew by me and I had to real his no stopping at stop signs ass in LOL which blew my moderate pace LOL!
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My mid-day ride yesterday in Indiana was 93 degrees. Not killer - actually quite bearable once I was in the breeze and sweatin'. I only do 18 miles at lunch; chugged a bottle of water before I left, and had one on board.
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Here in Houston you would never ride if you couldn't adjust to the heat. The humidity is always high. I ride at night sometimes and it is usually in the 80's with at least 70% humidity. I did the Katy Flatland Century last year and it was over 100. The important thing is to take in plenty of water. I was stopping at every rest stop and pouring water over my head. It was one of my slowest centuries to date at nearly 7 hour total time. A couple of days ago I was riding in 94 degrees and all of the sudden clouds started rolling in and the temp dropped to about 75 and I felt like I was freezing. Then the rain started and boy was it cold.
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It was 106 when I finished the Hotter than Hell Hundred last year. I don't think that I will ever bike in heat like that. It is usually over 90 around here most of the summer and that is doable, but water and endurolytes are heavily required.
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I've been ok up to about 90 in the NYC humidity. I'm going to find out this weekend though if I can still do it.
I don't know about dry heat as I've never gone riding in the desert. i was in Moab last summer and it must've been 100 one day when I was walking around. I wanted to do a group trail ride but the shops were all booked, which surprised me as it didn't seem to be all that busy in town, so I didn't get to ride. I think the heat would have done me in anyway.
I don't know about dry heat as I've never gone riding in the desert. i was in Moab last summer and it must've been 100 one day when I was walking around. I wanted to do a group trail ride but the shops were all booked, which surprised me as it didn't seem to be all that busy in town, so I didn't get to ride. I think the heat would have done me in anyway.
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I try to train in the heat since it is likely that I will have to race in the heat. Unfortunately, I haven't found a good recovery plan yet as I seem to get heat exhaustion really easily. Despite riding with a camelbak (70oz), spilling water over myself, and drinking a lot of fluids (water & electrolytes) afterwards, I'm not really sure what to do differently. I'm hoping to figure it out by the end of the summer as it is going to really hamper my training/racing.
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I am one of the weridos that LOVES hot weather. I have ridden in 106 degree temps here in Southern California and loved it.
I would prefer 80 degree weather however, will ride in anything but the cold !
I would prefer 80 degree weather however, will ride in anything but the cold !