Happy Feet

Sorry, I'm at work on my phone so that will have to wait but you can just google Tiagra hydraulic brake shifter to start. Common Shimano mid grade product.

Metieval

uh because 3/4 of Americans are obese. Fact
There are also multiple threads on BF on loosing weight. Fact

Addiction = compulsive substance use despite harmful consequence. Fact

Your version entails just ride your bike more, but continue the substance abuse. many others have also argued this same thing here on BF

my version, quit abusing the substance causing obesity. which is Eat less, "Eat to live, don't live to eat" You won't die, fasting with refeeds isn't starvation, no matter how many times your brain says it is.

but hell, if drop bars are an illusion, then substance control and self control are also illusions.

just to hammer home the point about obesity, here are some quotes from this very thread/topic.

livedarklions

On the other hand, if you need a quick Brunhilde costume, strapping the dropbar to a helmet might do in a pinch.

livedarklions

Thanks for proving my point--you are the king of telling everyone "my way or you're wrong."

I'm going to pass on encouraging you to display your obvious symptoms any further.

indyfabz

FIFY. The stats are nowhere near that high for obesity alone. In fact, they are not even that high if you combine overweight and obese.

For obesity alone, it's only about 40%:

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-...es-exceed-35-7

3/4=75%

indyfabz

Not to mention that he's way off with his obesity statistic. See my post above.

Metieval

Kapusta

I don’t know about how anyone else has their hoods set up, but mine curve up in front of where I hold them. There is no way my hands are sliding off them from hitting a pothole or anything really, because impacts get absorbed by the elbows. I do mountain bike, so perhaps I am less stiff-armed than some people.

Maybe if I hit a wall or guardrail head-on my hands would come off. Long story short, my hands are not coming off the hoods unless my body is already going OTB.

I do descend in my drops for control, however, it is really hard to say what someone else should do without knowing how their drops are set up. If the bars are set up too low to start with (which is pretty common, as evidenced by people never getting in the drops) then the hoods may actually be the better position.

Kapusta

You do know that what you linked to contradicts your claim that 75% of Americans are obese, right?

BillyD

Can't you guys argue peacefully? You know we don't give out cookies for correct opinions, right?

DrIsotope

The estimates and associated graphs are bunk anyway, because they use fairly small sample sets to try to forecast the entire population. They cannot and do not take any individuals or small (small being less than even 100,000) groups into account. Based on the simple formula for BMI, every bodybuilder is grossly obese.

On-topic, I use the drops about 2% of the time... on my bike with aerobars. I use the aerobars... a lot. I've got my conditioning up to where I can spend about 10 minutes straight in the skis, then I have to take a break for a few minutes. I'll get there.

FiftySix

Chupacabra!!!

ksryder

I leave for a long weekend and a troll thread about a topic that has been beaten to death on these forums has reached page 7 and somehow turned into an argument over obesity statistics?

Gresp15C

All of my bikes have swept bars. You can move your hand position aft by several inches compared to a mainstream road bike if you want, and further dial it in with frame and stem dimensions as well.

With that said, everything that's been discussed about maintaining control at high speed or rough terrain, applies to swept bars even moreso, because of moving your hands closer to your center of gravity. I'm OK with that, because I'm not a particularly fast rider anyway.

Happy Feet

Really.. really. You couldn't just google the set I indicated in the post you quoted? Now I understand why braking on the hoods may be difficult for you.

indyfabz

Guess I need to remind you that you wrote that 3/4 of Americans are "obese." Period. Overweight and obese are not the same thing. Also, the above says that 3/4 of men and 60% of women are obese or overweight. Ever hear of the concept of average? That doesn't equate to 3/4 of Americans being overweight or obese. Thanks for proving yourself uncorrect, and welcome to my iggy list. Don't bother quoting me. I won't see it.

indyfabz

There is no credible argument. Dude in simply uncorrect in his claim that 3/4 of Americans are obese. His own link demonstrates that.

Happy Feet

Your wish is my command.

These are the mechanical disc version of the Taigra ST4700 groupset. The hydraulic version would be even easier to apply and require less finger reach and/or strength.


Drops.
Notice the thumb wrap around and how the palm sits on the bar only because these are shallow flared bars that create an even more advantageous hold compared to traditional drops. Contrast to the hoods.



Hoods.
Notice the same thumb wrap around and secure grip.



...and another angle



which is surprisingly similar to this stable position


A shot of the bike to show bar orientation and seat/bar height



To contrast with older drop bar / lever positions.

Notice the lack of security when I need to stretch to activate the brake. I'm holding on by the hook of my thumb only. This (I assume) is what cyclocommute was referring to when he mentioned stretching the thumb and risky it coming off.



Yet how an old time rider might consider hoods to be even more risky

MikeyMK

As an engineer, it bothers me that the front brake cable routes under the bar, resulting in such an unyielding bend to the adjuster. I can see it was routed that way by a stylist, for appearances sake. This causes me to question the build of the whole bike.

Happy Feet

Really.. I hedged my shots. Whatta crock. Even your own shots show how secure your grip is in the hoods but whatever (curious what measuring device you used to come up with those percentages btw. One finger from the drops 90% braking ability.. right...). I try to engage in certain topics that interest me honestly but find people who just want to be right tedious. And I'm one of the guys who uses his drops regularly!

I suggested a lever to google but you couldn't be bothered. I took the time to shoot and post pics into a photo sharing website and repost here and you claim deception. I even showed the very issue another poster talked about but was challenged on.

Sorry, I gave it a shot but this tangent with you is a waste of my time. I'll leave it to others to decide for themselves what they will.

Happy Feet

Sure man. You win the internet today.

HTupolev

No they don't. Getting powerful braking on hoods requires getting fingers low down the lever, and that means giving up the easy secure grip of index and middle fingers on the hood. Spoonrobot's images clearly show this.

Because your suggestion to google was irrelevant, he literally owns the exact lever you mentioned. You entered the conversation with the impression that participants were unfamiliar with modern hoods, which was false.


Index finger at the bottom of the lever, sure. It's a strong finger with great motor control, it's positioned in the spot of maximal leverage, and the hooks posture of the rest of the hand is good for supporting the index finger in actuating the lever (it's purely a squeeze action, you're not having to "twist down" at the lever like on the hoods). I'll use more fingers than that on bikes with weak brakes, like my vintage steel machines with Dia-Compe single-pivots, but with strong brakes there's usually not much need for more.

venturi95

I like the comfort and versatility of a nice drop bar. Sitting upright makes my ass hurt. Flat bars make my hands and wrists hurt. I see more on a traditional road bike because I travel farther, climb faster, and have a more comfortable ride. My neck never hurts until I hit the 12 hour mark, which is rare, and the little bit of ache usually passes quickly, it's hardly what I call pain. Don't like drop bars? Then don't ride them. A racing bike with 250 gram silks is what I call the ultimate in comfort. Now go away.

Korina

I swiped it from the Velo Orange site for illustration purposes. You'll also notice the lack of shifters, probably for a "cleaner" look.

I have a bike similar to that one, but the brakes are angled outward; a google image search of the Portofino bar shows the same thing.

mstateglfr 

This thread has caused me to learn that I am apparently obese, even though I am not.

It's also made me want to think about how I brake when riding road and gravel. I cant say I consciously think about it...ever. I brake from the hoods and the bike stops. Apparently my hands arent secure when doing this though? Never thought they were anything but secure up to now. Maybe I've just been lucky for all these years and milea. Or maybe I have incredible braking from and dont realize since I've never thought about it.
Hmm.