Gravel brifters and tires
10-17-20, 12:54 PM
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Gravel brifters and tires
Question 1: Has anyone ever used brifters with a gravel bike set up with cantilevers?
Question 2: Best cheapish 700C X 32 road/gravel tires?
---Options
Kenda Kwick Trax
Ritchey Speedmax
Vittoria Zaffiro
Michelin Protek
Schwalbe CX Comp
Schwalbe Land Cruiser
Continental Tour Ride
Bontrager CX3
Forte Gotham
(These will likely be 90% road/10% gravel - the MBK from the other thread).
Question 2: Best cheapish 700C X 32 road/gravel tires?
---Options
Kenda Kwick Trax
Ritchey Speedmax
Vittoria Zaffiro
Michelin Protek
Schwalbe CX Comp
Schwalbe Land Cruiser
Continental Tour Ride
Bontrager CX3
Forte Gotham
(These will likely be 90% road/10% gravel - the MBK from the other thread).
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10-17-20, 02:47 PM
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My cx race bike has brifters and Paul cantilevers. Works great for me.
Lots of folks seem to like the Panaracer Gravel King.
Brent
Lots of folks seem to like the Panaracer Gravel King.
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10-17-20, 03:14 PM
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Gravel King is a bit on the pricier side for me at the moment.
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10-17-20, 03:33 PM
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for 90% road, I wouldn't get anything more than file tread
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10-17-20, 03:41 PM
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What is file tread?
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Ahh...thank you. I had never heard it called that, but it makes sense.
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10-17-20, 04:16 PM
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Brifters, cantis, and fat tires.
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What tires and size? They look like 32s or 35s?
Do you find anything odd about cable pull with the cant-brifter combo?
Do you find anything odd about cable pull with the cant-brifter combo?
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That GK is not file tread. But in between bar ends and disk brakes on CX bikes, all but one fast gravel racer (read CX) used brifters with cantis.
File tread is more like this
File tread is more like this
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Tire size will depend on the frame. I've got a 47 front and a 38 rear. That's not bad for a '91 Specialized.
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my vote for a good tire with file tread (and even some low profile side knobs) would be continental speed ride. i ran a set for a while. great compromise for the mix of terrain. little to no road noise and low rolling resistance. and, still very decent on gravel....depending on the gravel. and, and, they're not too pricey. $20 something range last i looked
brifters and canti's are great. i ran some ultegra 6500's with early 90's deore dx canti's and salmon pads. excellent set up
brifters and canti's are great. i ran some ultegra 6500's with early 90's deore dx canti's and salmon pads. excellent set up
10-18-20, 01:21 AM
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Question 2: Best cheapish 700C X 32 road/gravel tires?
(These will likely be 90% road/10% gravel - the MBK from the other thread).
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I use Shimano 105 10 speed brifters with cantilevers on my 83 Centurion Pro-tour. Either one of my 81 or 83 fits 38mm tires.
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I ran 10 speed 105 brifters with cantis and they worked just fine. Have you looked at Panaracer Paselas? There are a few different flavors but all pet affordable. Wire bead is ~ $25. https://www.thebikesmiths.com/produc...BoCiMwQAvD_BwE
folding bead is obviously more expensive
folding bead is obviously more expensive
10-18-20, 06:34 AM
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Tires are 700x32 version of Kenda's police bike tire.
Most brifters should work fine with cantis, they have the same cable pull as caliper brakes.
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Most brifters should work fine with cantis, they have the same cable pull as caliper brakes.
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Several bikes with Campy Ergos and Canti brakes - Avid Shorty 6, Shorty Ultimate, and cheaper Tektro ? Onyx on my tourer. All work fine. After my first cross bike build many years ago in which the only way to stop my bike was high speed dismounts, I learned to use inline adjusters like Jagwires.
As far as tires for road and gravel, I like Gravel Kings, Challenge Strada Bianca (vulcanized 160 tpi version) measures at 35 mm and Challenge Paris Roubaix (vulcanized) measures at 28-29. All of those can be found on sale pretty regularly in the $30 range.
As far as tires for road and gravel, I like Gravel Kings, Challenge Strada Bianca (vulcanized 160 tpi version) measures at 35 mm and Challenge Paris Roubaix (vulcanized) measures at 28-29. All of those can be found on sale pretty regularly in the $30 range.
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Thanks for all of the comments! I feel better about the brifter/canti set-up. Someone had suggested Michelin Proteks as a really good hybrid option so I found a deep discounted pair in 700X32s, so I will try them. If they don't work, I can transfer them to my son's Trek Elance I built for him and start from scratch. I was toggling between the Pasela Pro-tites and the Michelins and couldn't pass up the price!
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Several bikes with Campy Ergos and Canti brakes - Avid Shorty 6, Shorty Ultimate, and cheaper Tektro ? Onyx on my tourer. All work fine. After my first cross bike build many years ago in which the only way to stop my bike was high speed dismounts, I learned to use inline adjusters like Jagwires.
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Question 1: Has anyone ever used brifters with a gravel bike set up with cantilevers?
Question 2: Best cheapish 700C X 32 road/gravel tires?
---Options
Kenda Kwick Trax
Ritchey Speedmax
Vittoria Zaffiro
Michelin Protek
Schwalbe CX Comp
Schwalbe Land Cruiser
Continental Tour Ride
Bontrager CX3
Forte Gotham
(These will likely be 90% road/10% gravel - the MBK from the other thread).
Question 2: Best cheapish 700C X 32 road/gravel tires?
---Options
Kenda Kwick Trax
Ritchey Speedmax
Vittoria Zaffiro
Michelin Protek
Schwalbe CX Comp
Schwalbe Land Cruiser
Continental Tour Ride
Bontrager CX3
Forte Gotham
(These will likely be 90% road/10% gravel - the MBK from the other thread).
Your tire options seems to vary in proce from $20-$45. Below are a couple of quality options at $25-35. Quality tires make a hire difference in ride feel.
Good tire with tread-
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/v...xoCKk0QAvD_BwE
Good tire slick-
https://www.probikekit.com/bicycle-t...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Your tire options seems to vary in proce from $20-$45. Below are a couple of quality options at $25-35. Quality tires make a hire difference in ride feel.
Good tire with tread-
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/vittoria-terreno-wet-g-plus-tire-tubeless?skid=VIT003K-BK-S700CXS31MM&CMP_SKU=VIT003K&MER=0406&CSPID=0914&mr:trackingCode=7247E9DE-3D9D-E711-80F6-0050569428E8&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=m&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=266098779516&mr:keyword=&mr:matc h=&mr:tid=aud-380446514548
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Good tire with tread-
https://www.competitivecyclist.com/vittoria-terreno-wet-g-plus-tire-tubeless?skid=VIT003K-BK-S700CXS31MM&CMP_SKU=VIT003K&MER=0406&CSPID=0914&mr:trackingCode=7247E9DE-3D9D-E711-80F6-0050569428E8&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=m&mr:adType=plaonline&mr:ad=266098779516&mr:keyword=&mr:matc h=&mr:tid=aud-380446514548
la-450518941845&mrloc=9017943&mr:iloc=&mr:store=&mr:filter=450518941845&CMP_ID=PLA_GMm014&CSPID=0914& utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&k_clickid=_k_CjwKCAjwz6_8BRBkEiwA3p02Vc75eOnxkfNny4DVtIOR41ImT09kkx nMeP9n_PyC13m6wycfQMWxRxoCKk0QAvD_BwE_k_&gclid=CjwKCAjwz6_8BRBkEiwA3p02Vc75eOnxkfNny4DVtIOR41ImT09kk xnMeP9n_PyC13m6wycfQMWxRxoCKk0QAvD_BwE
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Several bikes with Campy Ergos and Canti brakes - Avid Shorty 6, Shorty Ultimate, and cheaper Tektro ? Onyx on my tourer. All work fine. After my first cross bike build many years ago in which the only way to stop my bike was high speed dismounts, I learned to use inline adjusters like Jagwires.
Right now, I've got a set of TRP levers on a set of Suntour XC Pro cantis- and the braking is excellent. I assume the leverage/pull of the TRP levers is the same as ordinary road brifters.
So what would inline adjusters do? Is it sort of like an Avid rollamajig for brakes?
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Bikes: 2016 Trek Emonda S6 frameset, custom build (road). 1995 Dawes Genesis Reynolds 531 Competition frameset, custom build (road). 1996 Orange C16R frameset, custom build (retro MTB). Coyote Dual hard-tail, custom build (MTB).
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1996 C16R 17" MTB Drop bar conversion
Yep.....Shimano Sora 3500 9 speed STI, Alivio RD-M4000 Shadow rear mech, XT RD739 front mech, Stronglite Impact double chain set (46/34) and 9 speed 12-36 cassette and Tektro Oryx 992AG cantilever brakes.
Tyre choice for a 700c: Continental Mountain King CX 700 x 35c
Tyre choice for a 700c: Continental Mountain King CX 700 x 35c