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Old 09-13-19, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JW Fas View Post
At least you've tried to strike a balance between ignoring and confronting. I really hope no one here tries to be like this guy who goes around looking for altercations:

https://youtu.be/MtWmG1PPKy8
Its a fine line sometimes. But other times you can usually tell when someone is beyond logic and reason. Just notice their response and you'll see their minds are so poorly developed they just can't understand general reasoning.

For example, I see someone riding against traffic and when I tell them their on the wrong side, they try and explain why its okay, for them to do so. Even ignoring the arrows in the bike lane. Its like trying to reason with a monkey.

Those are the types you ignore. They don't now enough to know why they're wrong and even think they're right and being clever.

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Yes, why don't you provide a detailed accounting of "the times of suffering and oppression" you believe bicyclists have endured.

How does anyone with any responsibility for correcting "wrongs" react when you speak up with such dramatic hyperbole? How many minds are changed when you speak up about "the times of suffering and oppression" of bicyclists?
Sorry can't put it in any smaller words for you. Just keep an open mind and maybe one day you'll understand it all.
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Old 09-13-19, 10:58 AM
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The only harassment I get is from my close friends. Im 81 and still ride about 25 miles every other day. When I retired they thot I was going to play golf with them. But they ride carts and got almost no exercise. Now only one plays a few rounds, and the rest of them are all stove up, and cant play. They are in such bad shape I can bring myself to harass them much.
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Old 09-14-19, 03:21 PM
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Has anyone read this yesterday? Woman says two men threw her off CitiBike, brutally beat her in Midtown attack

A young Manhattan woman was thrown from her CitiBike and punched until she was black-and-blue by a pair of thugs in Midtown on Tuesday night — and she described the terrifying, random attack to The Post.

The two men, who were still at large Friday night, stood side by side, blocking the bike lane as she rode toward them on Eighth Avenue, she recalled, asking to be identified only by her first name, “Ina.”

The two locked eyes with her as she rode toward them, said the woman, who is in her 20s.

Then they broke into a run, charging toward her, laughing.
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Old 09-17-19, 03:02 PM
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Get their license plate #! Smile/wave. If you actually engage in conversation, ignore what they actually said to you & say something like: 'its a *brand of bike youre rideing*'
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Old 10-11-19, 09:10 AM
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At this point, I either ignore it or *maybe* calmly say something like, "Please put your lights on, it is dark out." or "Please put on your turn signal." But, everyone is so into themselves these days, pretty much ANY suggestion from a stranger is seen as a reason to fight. If they directly engage me for no reason or fault of my own, I will get defensively aggressive and tell them to stop bothering me, go on about their day, or I'll call the police. I'm usually pretty forceful at that point. I also do MOST of my riding in urban areas these days, so lots of other people around. On a country road and if I'm isolated, I just try to move on/get out of there ASAP.
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Old 10-11-19, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
... But if for no other reason to speak up consider this quote:

"You either have to be part of the solution, or you're going to be part of the problem.". ...
I've always hated that quote, because it's logically incoherent and usually used to bully someone into agreement or silence.

This post is a case in point, neither part of a solution nor the problem. Just randomly contentious I guess ... but I feel like challenging this notion lest I be deemed "part of the problem" that it entails ...
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Old 10-11-19, 04:03 PM
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I always, always, always de-escalate. People have a habit of getting shot in this town.
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Old 10-11-19, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
I've always hated that quote, because it's logically incoherent and usually used to bully someone into agreement or silence.

This post is a case in point, neither part of a solution nor the problem. Just randomly contentious I guess ... but I feel like challenging this notion lest I be deemed "part of the problem" that it entails ...
You're either over-analyzing the phrase and missing the message. I look at it as a call to arms and a reminder that we're all responsible in some measure for the state of our society. When someones says society is messed up, I ask them what have they done lately to make it better.

Speaking out and challenging wrong, is the first step and least we can do. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm compelled to at least do tat much.

By sitting by and doing nothing, we're contributing to the very problem they claim to oppose. You need to go no further than your local news broadcast to be reminded of that. How many help your neighbor stories do you see a night verses all the carnage and corruption?
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I always, always, always de-escalate. People have a habit of getting shot in this town.
Deescalation is a strategy, but not always a solution. Trouble can follow you no matter what you do.
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Old 10-12-19, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
You're either over-analyzing the phrase and missing the message.
No such thing as over-analyzing! That's just another thing people say when they don't like logical conclusions.

By sitting by and doing nothing, we're contributing to the very problem they claim to oppose. You need to go no further than your local news broadcast to be reminded of that.
If that were a rational conclusion, then you'd be contributing to every problem in the word because you are not doing anything to solve them.
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Old 10-12-19, 01:32 PM
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Ha, ha. Just this past Wednesday around 11am, I was honked at by a tractor-trailor driver. He honked twice before changing lanes and passing me. When I caught up with him, I told him we were in the diamond lane. But he swore at me anyways. So that went well just as if I had just let it go.
Times like these, I wish I had a camera instead so I can call or write to the company instead.
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Old 10-12-19, 01:53 PM
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Ha, ha. Just this past Wednesday around 11am, I was honked at by a tractor-trailor driver. He honked twice before changing lanes and passing me. When I caught up with him, I told him we were in the diamond lane. But he swore at me anyways. So that went well just as if I had just let it go.
Times like these, I wish I had a camera instead so I can call or write to the company instead.
Just call them.
Many of them have GPS tracking in their vehicles anyway.
I am in Australia and I tell them that I have been involved in a Workplace incident with one of their field units. They are more scared of the Government department that manages workplace incidents than they are of the police as any workplace incident can lead to a review of their entire workplace.
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Old 10-12-19, 02:25 PM
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Seriously thinking of just putting a GoPro on my helmet.
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Old 10-12-19, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sumgy View Post
Just call them.
Many of them have GPS tracking in their vehicles anyway.
I am in Australia and I tell them that I have been involved in a Workplace incident with one of their field units. They are more scared of the Government department that manages workplace incidents than they are of the police as any workplace incident can lead to a review of their entire workplace.
My problem is that I can never remember the name of the company. My attention is looking out for the traffic. I'd make a lousy witness.
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Old 10-15-19, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
You're either over-analyzing the phrase and missing the message. I look at it as a call to arms and a reminder that we're all responsible in some measure for the state of our society. When someones says society is messed up, I ask them what have they done lately to make it better.

Speaking out and challenging wrong, is the first step and least we can do. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm compelled to at least do tat much.

By sitting by and doing nothing, we're contributing to the very problem they claim to oppose. You need to go no further than your local news broadcast to be reminded of that. How many help your neighbor stories do you see a night verses all the carnage and corruption?
KraneXL: How right you are. People tell me "let it go". But if everybody just 'lets it go' nothing will change!
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Old 10-15-19, 04:02 PM
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"We but mirror the world. All the tendencies present in the outer world are to be found in the world of our body. If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. This is the divine mystery supreme. A wonderful thing it is and the source of our happiness. We need not wait to see what others do.” – Mahatma Gandhi.
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Old 10-15-19, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bpcyclist View Post
Seriously thinking of just putting a GoPro on my helmet.
What would seal the deal for you?
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Old 10-16-19, 12:44 AM
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Maybe one more incident. Or, if I get serious about adding this 21-mile trail we have here called Springwater A guy was basically mugged there a few months ago and his really nice Colnago stolen by what turned out to be a punk. Anyhow, my morning rides start every day at 0430. A lot of that trail is isolated from streets or any potential help or oversight. A camera might come in handy. You never know...
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Seriously thinking of just putting a GoPro on my helmet.
I'd like to get one too but they're so expensive.
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I'd like to get one too but they're so expensive.
Cheaper than most insurance deductibles.
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Cheaper than most insurance deductibles.
Care to explain the relevance? Do you seriously believe the purchase and use of a video camera reduces a bicycle rider's risk of accidental injury?
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Old 10-17-19, 01:15 AM
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Never been harassed so I don't deal with it. I do ride and obey all rules and laws. Many time I enter a 4 way intersection. I prepare to stop, signal etc and 90% of the time, all drivers will wave me through. I think they appreciate a law abiding cyclist.

I also have heard many cyclist complain about drivers. They swear by their cycling but having been on with them on rides, I can see why motorists get upset with them.
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Old 10-17-19, 07:50 AM
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I'd like to get one too but they're so expensive.
Only if you want the latest and greatest, which most people won't use even a fraction of the features anyway.

You can pick up a GP3-GP5 for well under $100 on ebay these days. Really anything from the GP2 (720 HD) on is fine if you just want it for 'evidence'.
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Old 10-17-19, 09:22 AM
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Never been harassed so I don't deal with it. I do ride and obey all rules and laws. Many time I enter a 4 way intersection. I prepare to stop, signal etc and 90% of the time, all drivers will wave me through. I think they appreciate a law abiding cyclist.

I also have heard many cyclist complain about drivers. They swear by their cycling but having been on with them on rides, I can see why motorists get upset with them.
Lucky you. Must be bike heaven where you live.
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Old 10-17-19, 02:46 PM
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Never been harassed so I don't deal with it. I do ride and obey all rules and laws. Many time I enter a 4 way intersection. I prepare to stop, signal etc and 90% of the time, all drivers will wave me through. I think they appreciate a law abiding cyclist.

I also have heard many cyclist complain about drivers. They swear by their cycling but having been on with them on rides, I can see why motorists get upset with them.
Almost every time I get honked at, I am riding perfectly legally and FRAP, not even in the driver's way. The other times, it's usually because drivers don't understand what bicyclists are supposed to do with turn lanes. And yes, I consider honking at someone harassment.
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Old 10-17-19, 06:10 PM
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I just spent 2 1/2 hours riding in town in the rain, half of it during rush hour. I had no fewer than five vehicles pause to let me go, defer to me at a stop/light when they had the right of way, or just completely stop in the middle of the road to let me cross a busy street with no light for me. That's the flip side of the harassment story. All the drivers, personal and commercial, who go out of their way to be cautious around cyclists and to help us when they can. There are a lot of them and we ought not forget them.
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