Frame Damage, Di2 Problem, or My Imagination
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Frame Damage, Di2 Problem, or My Imagination
I picked up a 2020 Roubaix Expert almost two months ago. I love everything about the bike, except for the ride quality. After about 800 miles I started feeling lots of road chatter. Kind of like riding chip seal, but muted by 50% or a little more. This is on all road surfaces and at all speeds.
Additionally, I feel lots of "crunchiness" when in largest 5 or 6 cogs on the rear cassette. I took the bike in and the dealer's mechanic realigned the RD. I'm not sure why it would have been misaligned as the bike has not been wrecked. Whatever the case, the crunchiness is slightly better, but I don't feel this on my mechanical 105 and Ultegra bikes. And, of course, I still feel the road chatter.
Before taking the bike in, I noticed two hairline imperfections in the frame below the RD mount. I can't feel the imperfections like I would expect to if they were a crack. But I'm wondering if this might indeed be a problem. I showed these to the mechanic who replied that they were probably where the frame lugs were bonded.
Should I just harden up and ignore the road chatter? Any idea why the bike would feel so smooth for the first 800 miles and so buzzy now?
What about the Di2 crunchiness, does that sound like a problem or should I just harden up and ride?
Opinions on the frame imperfection? The looks don't bother me, but if that indicates a crack, that's a bit concerning.
Additionally, I feel lots of "crunchiness" when in largest 5 or 6 cogs on the rear cassette. I took the bike in and the dealer's mechanic realigned the RD. I'm not sure why it would have been misaligned as the bike has not been wrecked. Whatever the case, the crunchiness is slightly better, but I don't feel this on my mechanical 105 and Ultegra bikes. And, of course, I still feel the road chatter.
Before taking the bike in, I noticed two hairline imperfections in the frame below the RD mount. I can't feel the imperfections like I would expect to if they were a crack. But I'm wondering if this might indeed be a problem. I showed these to the mechanic who replied that they were probably where the frame lugs were bonded.
Should I just harden up and ignore the road chatter? Any idea why the bike would feel so smooth for the first 800 miles and so buzzy now?
What about the Di2 crunchiness, does that sound like a problem or should I just harden up and ride?
Opinions on the frame imperfection? The looks don't bother me, but if that indicates a crack, that's a bit concerning.
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Those lines are just about the right place for the lug ends. Keep in mind the ends are internal on the lug. The tube fits over it. Very well could be as the wrench said. Not sure how it will look if the tube is cracking from the inside. As for a crunchy bottom few cogs, not sure what to say other than replace the cassette first, then test. If failed test, then replace chain. Only use Shimano chains and cassettes for this to ensure optimum compatibility.
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Those lines are just about the right place for the lug ends. Keep in mind the ends are internal on the lug. The tube fits over it. Very well could be as the wrench said. Not sure how it will look if the tube is cracking from the inside. As for a crunchy bottom few cogs, not sure what to say other than replace the cassette first, then test. If failed test, then replace chain. Only use Shimano chains and cassettes for this to ensure optimum compatibility.
I was probably over due for a freshly waxed chain, so I installed one this morning. The crunchiness is slightly improved. But I can definitely feel what I can only describe as pulsing when in the top 2 or 3 cogs on the rear cassette. The bike has less than 1500 miles on it. It seems hard to believe the cassette would already be worn enough to feel like that.
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Chatter in half the gears makes me suspect tweaked RD hanger. You don't need a crash to knock them off true--just the bike falling over is enough.
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I think you're looking at two different issues. The lines on the frame seem like they are only in the finish; I wouldn't worry about them.
The "crunchiness" is a drivetrain issue. Make sure your RD is correctly indexed - it is super easy to do it on di2. If that doesn't solve it, then offer to buy a new chain and have the shop install it -- but let them know that, if that doesn't solve the issue, you expect them to do more work and bear the expense. (Of course, this assumes that the mechanic can also sense this "crunchiness.")
The "crunchiness" is a drivetrain issue. Make sure your RD is correctly indexed - it is super easy to do it on di2. If that doesn't solve it, then offer to buy a new chain and have the shop install it -- but let them know that, if that doesn't solve the issue, you expect them to do more work and bear the expense. (Of course, this assumes that the mechanic can also sense this "crunchiness.")
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See if the LBS where you bought it from will allow you to test drive a like bicycle for a few days while they evaluate yours in the meantime.
Or, possibly warranty out yours for another. If after similar duration those conditions happen with a replacement bicycle, chances are, it would be "normal" or a design flaw.
Or, possibly warranty out yours for another. If after similar duration those conditions happen with a replacement bicycle, chances are, it would be "normal" or a design flaw.
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I just got the bike back from the dealer. The mechanic did indeed straighten the RD. I still feel the chatter in the top 3 or 4 gears.
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Has anyone looked at the FD? This sounds like a trim issue but Di2 should be doing the trim so I suspect the FD is not aligned properly.
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I think you're looking at two different issues. The lines on the frame seem like they are only in the finish; I wouldn't worry about them.
The "crunchiness" is a drivetrain issue. Make sure your RD is correctly indexed - it is super easy to do it on di2. If that doesn't solve it, then offer to buy a new chain and have the shop install it -- but let them know that, if that doesn't solve the issue, you expect them to do more work and bear the expense. (Of course, this assumes that the mechanic can also sense this "crunchiness.")
The "crunchiness" is a drivetrain issue. Make sure your RD is correctly indexed - it is super easy to do it on di2. If that doesn't solve it, then offer to buy a new chain and have the shop install it -- but let them know that, if that doesn't solve the issue, you expect them to do more work and bear the expense. (Of course, this assumes that the mechanic can also sense this "crunchiness.")
I have two chains, the one that came on the bike and another that I purchased a few days later. Together they have less than 1500 miles on them, as does the cassette. I swapped out another wheel set with a different cassette while trying to figure out the road chatter issue. I don’t recall how that cassette felt in the biggest three or four gears. I need to swap that out and try it. For that matter I don’t mind buying a new chain and new cassette...I’ll need them eventually.
The mechanic is not real friendly and I can’t get him to say much. It’s probably time to talk to management and let them communicate with the mechanic.
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Good luck on reducing the chipseal feel.
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I agree.
I have two chains, the one that came on the bike and another that I purchased a few days later. Together they have less than 1500 miles on them, as does the cassette. I swapped out another wheel set with a different cassette while trying to figure out the road chatter issue. I don’t recall how that cassette felt in the biggest three or four gears. I need to swap that out and try it. For that matter I don’t mind buying a new chain and new cassette...I’ll need them eventually.
The mechanic is not real friendly and I can’t get him to say much. It’s probably time to talk to management and let them communicate with the mechanic.
I have two chains, the one that came on the bike and another that I purchased a few days later. Together they have less than 1500 miles on them, as does the cassette. I swapped out another wheel set with a different cassette while trying to figure out the road chatter issue. I don’t recall how that cassette felt in the biggest three or four gears. I need to swap that out and try it. For that matter I don’t mind buying a new chain and new cassette...I’ll need them eventually.
The mechanic is not real friendly and I can’t get him to say much. It’s probably time to talk to management and let them communicate with the mechanic.
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Shift out to last cog and spin the pedals, and see if the chain is rubbing on the FD cage. If so, problem solved.
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This is possible, but is so easy to diagnose that I didn't think of it. di2 will do trim automatically, but it only works if set up properly. FD could've gotten tweaked since OP bought the bike.
Shift out to last cog and spin the pedals, and see if the chain is rubbing on the FD cage. If so, problem solved.
Shift out to last cog and spin the pedals, and see if the chain is rubbing on the FD cage. If so, problem solved.
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