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Old 03-13-19, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PepeM
The twenty qualities I have laying on my desk right now are proof that money buys quality.
Quality.
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Originally Posted by robnol
I just bought a new helmet for daily training on amazon, it was cheap the reviews were good so I took a chance....it is a darn good helmet and it cost a hek of a lot less than my old helmet....I guess u don't have to spend a lot to get a quality product
What criteria do you use to state that it is a darn good helmet? Have you sent it to a lab for impact testing and benchmarked it against higher priced helmets?
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[QUOTE=robnol;20835124]
Originally Posted by rosefarts
If you're buying from a shop, or Walmart, or just about any standard retailer, then all helmets meet a minimum standard. Fit and function are what sets them apart.

On Amazon and eBay, things can get murky. It might not be certified. It might be a replica of a certified model made of great stuff. It's like the last area where quality control or product safety aren't an absolute given.

That said, I got a $200 helmet on sale for $50 last summer. This is pretty common if you shop around.[/ a 200 dollar helmet for 50 dollars....is it less safe because u paid 150 less for it....bike riders can be seriously sheepish and prone to the placebo effect
Do you see any problem there?
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Old 03-13-19, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Ogsarg
What criteria do you use to state that it is a darn good helmet? Have you sent it to a lab for impact testing and benchmarked it against higher priced helmets?
I read the specs it meets all required standards...if u cant tell a crappy helmet when u see it feel it or look at its manufacturing then u should just look at the price tag and look for the one with the highest price it will be the best one
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
Maybe because $200 is the scam/sucker price, and $50 is the reality based "we still made $30" price.
finally some one who sees the placebo effect....and is smart enough to know when ur being scammed....name brand means very little just gives the helmet or equiptment the benefit of a doubt or a chance to impress the buyer
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It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.

A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.

Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.

A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.

Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
all true wich goes back to my original point just cause u pay more doesn't always mean u get more or better.....everything made in china is substandard crap were just used to it now
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​​​​​​I rode motorcycles when I was younger. In my teens I wore an inexpensive helmet that was made out of some kind of poly plastic that met all of the regulatory requirements . When I got a bit older, I recognized that the racers didn't wear those helmets, and chose much higher quality fiberglass helmets, for a reason.

I figure it's about the same thing with bike helmets, but that's just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by robnol
I read the specs it meets all required standards...if u cant tell a crappy helmet when u see it feel it or look at its manufacturing then u should just look at the price tag and look for the one with the highest price it will be the best one
Every television meets UL standards, FCC standards, and all other required standards. Does that mean they are all the same quality?
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
Maybe because $200 is the scam/sucker price, and $50 is the reality based "we still made $30" price.
Originally Posted by robnol
finally some one who sees the placebo effect....and is smart enough to know when ur being scammed....name brand means very little just gives the helmet or equiptment the benefit of a doubt or a chance to impress the buyer
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.

A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.

Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason.
Just to be clear, I too believe brand name usually will equate to higher quality. I just don't believe a $200 helmet cost the manufacture enough to warrant the $150 premium over their $50 helmet. It's a lot of mark up because the market for high end helmets obviously will bear it. But hey, if someone buying one thinks it's worth 4 times the cost, then obviously it is... to them, anyways.
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Research, development, and testing often costs more than pre-production (preparation of molds and casts,) materials, production, and distribution. Rapid prototyping has of course helped reduce this cost, but it remains unfixed, and can get out of hand pretty quickly.

Until a sufficient number of them have been sold, the cost of a $200 helmet is absolutely warranted over a $50 helmet. I don't think they're mocking up entry-level helmets in different configurations and putting them in the wind tunnel. Getting a 7oz helmet to have the same impact resistance as a 12oz helmet means the materials get more expensive. Otherwise, every helmet would weigh 7oz. Motorcycle helmets show this even moreso-- a $500 model might weigh a full pound less than a $200 one-- same safety rating.
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Originally Posted by PepeM
The twenty qualities I have laying on my desk right now are proof that money buys quality.
ur not using them I take it
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Old 05-17-19, 12:20 AM
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Contributors to this forum usually respond to posts with opinions supported by information so it is interesting to see how quickly this topic devolved into something else. On the topic of helmet safety, I think it was Bicycling magazine that had an article about the research done at Virginia Tech. Their labs made their name on their research into football helmets, followed it up with hockey helmets and went on from there. They showed that the price to quality ratio is unreliable but maybe not always irrelevant (prices of Football helmets were more closely correlated to quality than hockey ones, if memory serves). In any case, they now maintain a site that includes ratings for bike helmets: https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicyc...t-ratings.html
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Originally Posted by Jno
Contributors to this forum usually respond to posts with opinions supported by information so it is interesting to see how quickly this topic devolved into something else. On the topic of helmet safety, I think it was Bicycling magazine that had an article about the research done at Virginia Tech. Their labs made their name on their research into football helmets, followed it up with hockey helmets and went on from there. They showed that the price to quality ratio is unreliable but maybe not always irrelevant (prices of Football helmets were more closely correlated to quality than hockey ones, if memory serves). In any case, they now maintain a site that includes ratings for bike helmets: https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicyc...t-ratings.html
The VT list is interesting for a lot of reasons. One of the $175 helmets rates too low to be recommended, and the best rated has a list price of $75. They also have a broad price range in the four and five star categories (recommended), and say at that level, It's fine to factor price and comfort into the buying decision.

The cheapest recommended one has a list price of $18, btw, so you can actually pay almost ten times that and get an unacceptable helmet.
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In the cycling world as everywhere else more money gets you a better product-------------up to a point. Once you get to mid range, the only thing more money gets you is a name and snobbery.
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Originally Posted by Riveting
The responses to this poll are extremely biased towards purchasing higher quality helmets, but I'm guessing that's because those who bought lesser quality helmets are no longer available to answer this poll.
Another alternative is that people who aren't easily convinced by marketing figure there's no easy way to convince those who are easily convinced by the marketing.

For those of you who believe you bought higher quality in your bike helmet through the higher price, is there any way to convince you you're wrong?

I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Please send this thread to the helmet sticky thread to join the thousand other same old, same old helmet proselytizing posts.
Yes, please! This has A&S bait written all through the thread.
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I bought the helmet that fit the best, was the most cormfortable, and one that I would wear everytime I got on a bike.
It was 200 bucks, so what! It could save my life one day, or at least keep me from being breathing vegetable. If I thought I could get a better one for more, I would
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Originally Posted by tkamd73
I bought the helmet that fit the best, was the most cormfortable, and one that I would wear everytime I got on a bike.
It was 200 bucks, so what! It could save my life one day, or at least keep me from being breathing vegetable. If I thought I could get a better one for more, I would
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To the extent that the question is at all meaningful, I took it to ask whether one could get a quality helmet at a fraction of that price. From a safety standpoint, VT appears to have shown that you can spend a lot less money and get something equally safe. The other factors are too subjective to say much meaningful, so the fact that the comfort you get with it allows you to wear it more, and is worth $200 to you is good enough reason for you to buy it. It's also perfectly reasonable for me to say that the marginal comfort gains I might realize by spending $150 more than I have is not worth it, provided that the helmet I've purchased has been tested and shown safe.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.

A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.

Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
u onli tipe liek that b/c u $$$ on helmet & avoid injery
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Originally Posted by robnol
I just bought a new helmet for daily training on amazon
Why do you even need a helmet to train on Amazon every day?
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Why do you even need a helmet to train on Amazon every day?
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