Does money buy quality?
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What criteria do you use to state that it is a darn good helmet? Have you sent it to a lab for impact testing and benchmarked it against higher priced helmets?
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Do you see any problem there?
If you're buying from a shop, or Walmart, or just about any standard retailer, then all helmets meet a minimum standard. Fit and function are what sets them apart.
On Amazon and eBay, things can get murky. It might not be certified. It might be a replica of a certified model made of great stuff. It's like the last area where quality control or product safety aren't an absolute given.
That said, I got a $200 helmet on sale for $50 last summer. This is pretty common if you shop around.[/ a 200 dollar helmet for 50 dollars....is it less safe because u paid 150 less for it....bike riders can be seriously sheepish and prone to the placebo effect
On Amazon and eBay, things can get murky. It might not be certified. It might be a replica of a certified model made of great stuff. It's like the last area where quality control or product safety aren't an absolute given.
That said, I got a $200 helmet on sale for $50 last summer. This is pretty common if you shop around.[/ a 200 dollar helmet for 50 dollars....is it less safe because u paid 150 less for it....bike riders can be seriously sheepish and prone to the placebo effect
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I read the specs it meets all required standards...if u cant tell a crappy helmet when u see it feel it or look at its manufacturing then u should just look at the price tag and look for the one with the highest price it will be the best one
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finally some one who sees the placebo effect....and is smart enough to know when ur being scammed....name brand means very little just gives the helmet or equiptment the benefit of a doubt or a chance to impress the buyer
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It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
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It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
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I rode motorcycles when I was younger. In my teens I wore an inexpensive helmet that was made out of some kind of poly plastic that met all of the regulatory requirements . When I got a bit older, I recognized that the racers didn't wear those helmets, and chose much higher quality fiberglass helmets, for a reason.
I figure it's about the same thing with bike helmets, but that's just my opinion.
I figure it's about the same thing with bike helmets, but that's just my opinion.
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Every television meets UL standards, FCC standards, and all other required standards. Does that mean they are all the same quality?
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It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason.
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Research, development, and testing often costs more than pre-production (preparation of molds and casts,) materials, production, and distribution. Rapid prototyping has of course helped reduce this cost, but it remains unfixed, and can get out of hand pretty quickly.
Until a sufficient number of them have been sold, the cost of a $200 helmet is absolutely warranted over a $50 helmet. I don't think they're mocking up entry-level helmets in different configurations and putting them in the wind tunnel. Getting a 7oz helmet to have the same impact resistance as a 12oz helmet means the materials get more expensive. Otherwise, every helmet would weigh 7oz. Motorcycle helmets show this even moreso-- a $500 model might weigh a full pound less than a $200 one-- same safety rating.
Until a sufficient number of them have been sold, the cost of a $200 helmet is absolutely warranted over a $50 helmet. I don't think they're mocking up entry-level helmets in different configurations and putting them in the wind tunnel. Getting a 7oz helmet to have the same impact resistance as a 12oz helmet means the materials get more expensive. Otherwise, every helmet would weigh 7oz. Motorcycle helmets show this even moreso-- a $500 model might weigh a full pound less than a $200 one-- same safety rating.
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Contributors to this forum usually respond to posts with opinions supported by information so it is interesting to see how quickly this topic devolved into something else. On the topic of helmet safety, I think it was Bicycling magazine that had an article about the research done at Virginia Tech. Their labs made their name on their research into football helmets, followed it up with hockey helmets and went on from there. They showed that the price to quality ratio is unreliable but maybe not always irrelevant (prices of Football helmets were more closely correlated to quality than hockey ones, if memory serves). In any case, they now maintain a site that includes ratings for bike helmets: https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicyc...t-ratings.html
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Contributors to this forum usually respond to posts with opinions supported by information so it is interesting to see how quickly this topic devolved into something else. On the topic of helmet safety, I think it was Bicycling magazine that had an article about the research done at Virginia Tech. Their labs made their name on their research into football helmets, followed it up with hockey helmets and went on from there. They showed that the price to quality ratio is unreliable but maybe not always irrelevant (prices of Football helmets were more closely correlated to quality than hockey ones, if memory serves). In any case, they now maintain a site that includes ratings for bike helmets: https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/bicyc...t-ratings.html
The cheapest recommended one has a list price of $18, btw, so you can actually pay almost ten times that and get an unacceptable helmet.
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In the cycling world as everywhere else more money gets you a better product-------------up to a point. Once you get to mid range, the only thing more money gets you is a name and snobbery.
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For those of you who believe you bought higher quality in your bike helmet through the higher price, is there any way to convince you you're wrong?
I didn't think so.
Yes, please! This has A&S bait written all through the thread.
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I bought the helmet that fit the best, was the most cormfortable, and one that I would wear everytime I got on a bike.
It was 200 bucks, so what! It could save my life one day, or at least keep me from being breathing vegetable. If I thought I could get a better one for more, I would
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It was 200 bucks, so what! It could save my life one day, or at least keep me from being breathing vegetable. If I thought I could get a better one for more, I would
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I bought the helmet that fit the best, was the most cormfortable, and one that I would wear everytime I got on a bike.
It was 200 bucks, so what! It could save my life one day, or at least keep me from being breathing vegetable. If I thought I could get a better one for more, I would
Tim
It was 200 bucks, so what! It could save my life one day, or at least keep me from being breathing vegetable. If I thought I could get a better one for more, I would
Tim
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It's nice to see that people who don't understand how business works are present all across BF, and not limited to just specific sub-forums or threads.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
A helmet from an unpronounceable brand on Amazon is cheap because the Chinese cloners didn't have to do any R&D, they just copied work that was done previously, and then they used substandard materials and stamped them out by the thousands.
Sometimes things are more expensive for very good reason. I'm not saying that's always the case-- I bought Kali helmets for my kids on blowout clearance for $15 each, and they are well made, well ventilated, and relatively light.
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