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Old 03-20-19, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by drlogik
The direction Trek is taking could be huge for them if they can get a patent on the technology.
Trek is the exclusive licensee - it's not their tech.
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Old 03-20-19, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Note: Clicking on this this Popular Science site installed over 100 cookies and it was still loading them when I cut it off. Luckily Firefox allows me to manage and delete such unwanted dreck from the computer.
The website seems to be reasonably well behaved with "NoScript" and didn't require even PopSci to be unlocked.

The article itself was quite interesting.
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Old 03-20-19, 05:40 PM
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Trek is the exclusive licensee - it's not their tech.
Who's behind it Apex Bio or somebody else?
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Old 03-20-19, 05:46 PM
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Tomato, tomaato. Same thing as what Smith uses, but with a different pattern to get around the patent. What a let down.
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We've been Mr. Magoo'd!
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Originally Posted by drlogik

Anyone that is poopoo'ing this may not remember when Bill Bowerman and Phil Knight started hawking running shoe soles they made with Bowerman's waffle maker from the back of their cars at track meets back in the mid 1970's. People thought they were nuts. When Bowerman's Oregon track team started to do really well the soles took off. They changed the running industry. We ended up with the Nike Corporation.
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This new product from Trek could be that big.
And anyone who thinks it will be that big probably remembers when Zbig Knight and Mutt Boogerman used Zbig's mother's waffle iron to make bubble-gum flavored waffle cheesefries and thinks they will catch on any minute now.
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Old 03-22-19, 12:45 PM
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Yeah, this totally changes everything about the way we ride bicycles...
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Old 03-22-19, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
Yeah, this totally changes everything about the way we ride bicycles...
It should

Now you can ride your bike like people play football.
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
Yeah, this totally changes everything about the way we ride bicycles...

Until now, I was just wearing egg cartons on my head.
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Old 03-22-19, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Until now, I was just wearing egg cartons on my head.
It's less messy if you take the eggs out first.
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Originally Posted by Milton Keynes
It's less messy if you take the eggs out first.
But my hair would lose all that lustre...

Now if Trek had invented the shampooing helmet, they might have something. Think of the time saving.
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Old 03-23-19, 07:29 PM
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Bontrager Helmet Safety Performance Falls Far Below Mfr. Claims

In a statement released on Thursday, the competitor said: “MIPS subjected the new WaveCel helmet technology to their battery of tests, with results far below WaveCel’s substantial claims of injury prevention. WaveCel has made sizeable claims about the efficacy of its technology… Preliminary test results of WaveCel helmets by MIPS cannot substantiate these claims. While further testing is warranted, MIPS cannot see that the helmets perform in a way that the claims Bontrager/WaveCel makes in the comparison between WaveCel and other helmets/technologies. Once additional testing is completed, MIPS intends to share that data with the public.
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There are a substantial number of cyclists who would never purchase a Bontrager product even if it defied gravity.

In all seriousness, it is great that companies are advancing the science of safety. Motorists railed against airbags, anti-lock brakes and mandatory seat belt laws but now we hardly think about these things. There might come a day when Koroyd, WaveCell and other yet to be invented products are the norm. I welcome it.

Bontrager isn't the player however and companies like Giro are not going to sit back and let Bontrager take market share. My guess is that others will come out with similar products soon enough and that might be the best thing to come out of Bontrager's melodrama. Competition is good and my head is as safe today as it was before March 19th.


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Old 03-23-19, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Bontrager Helmet Safety Performance Falls Far Below Mfr. Claims

In a statement released on Thursday, the competitor said: “MIPS subjected the new WaveCel helmet technology to their battery of tests, with results far below WaveCel’s substantial claims of injury prevention. WaveCel has made sizeable claims about the efficacy of its technology… Preliminary test results of WaveCel helmets by MIPS cannot substantiate these claims. While further testing is warranted, MIPS cannot see that the helmets perform in a way that the claims Bontrager/WaveCel makes in the comparison between WaveCel and other helmets/technologies. Once additional testing is completed, MIPS intends to share that data with the public.
OUCH!!!!

One thing, I have to wonder about their statistics.

48 times more effective than what? "Regular Helmet"?
Prevents 99 out of 100 concussions? Based on Test dummy data, not sending fixie riders off into traffic to bash into cars.

Anyway, we can probably assume that the new 2019 Trek helmet is 48x better than one of these.



However, their own testing seemed to indicate that the new WaveCel helmets were almost identical in some cases to the MIPS helmets.

Did they display ALL the MIPS helmets, or pick and choose which ones to display next to their own helmet line?

And, that 99 out of 100 concussions????

So, that is assuming theoretical impacts that would likely give riders without helmets 100 concussions?

In the rear world, (with or without helmets), impacts vary from no injury at all to a bit of road rash to concussions to severe head trauma to death.

And, a helmet rating should take into account different potential crashes.

Over the last couple of years, there were times when I intentionally removed and carried my helmet in times when I felt the risk of heat injuries outweighed the risk of impact injuries.
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Old 03-24-19, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
There are a substantial number of cyclists who would never purchase a Bontrager product even if it defied gravity.

In all seriousness, it is great that companies are advancing the science of safety. Motorists railed against airbags, anti-lock brakes and mandatory seat belt laws but now we hardly think about these things. There might come a day when Koroyd, WaveCell and other yet to be invented products are the norm. I welcome it.

Bontrager isn't the player however and companies like Giro are not going to sit back and let Bontrager take market share. My guess is that others will come out with similar products soon enough and that might be the best thing to come out of Bontrager's melodrama. Competition is good and my head is as safe today as it was before March 19th.
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I think it was manufacturers resisting, not wanting to add to the costs.
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Please excuse me if I am not very exited by somewhat inarticulate claims that have not been verified by any outside group.
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Best thing about the announcement is the Boa on the helmet strap.
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