I know how you folks thrive on hit-and-run stories...
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I know how you folks thrive on hit-by-car stories...
Forgive me if it's a repeated post. I could not find another one.
Makes me wonder if Councilman Amoroso knew how "statistically safe" it is to cycle on public highways these days.
Baton Rouge Councilman Buddy Amoroso killed in West Feliciana crash; man arrested
Makes me wonder if Councilman Amoroso knew how "statistically safe" it is to cycle on public highways these days.
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Driver should have paid as much attention to the road as he did to his eyebrows.
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State Police took over the investigation per protocol for a traffic fatality and troopers spent some time examining a white SUV with obvious damage to the passenger side headlight that was pulled over a short distance ahead of the bikes.
Not a lot of details about the presumed cause of the crash.
A 61 year old's life was ended prematurely,
And, a 21 year old will go through hell for the rest of his life.
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I just turned 60. Every time I throw my leg over a top-tube to ride near auto traffic I think to myself: "This could be my last few minutes on Earth". So if I ever get hozed, it's not premature - it's right on time. I make my choices and live or die by them without second guessing. However, I am totally done with cycling on 2-lane country highways with no shoulders (as many here already know). And lookie! I am still here wasting everybodie's breathing air!
The last thing most cyclists think when they clip in is - this might be my last ride. It's the FIRST thing I think of. Nobody is making me take any risk. It's all on me.
The last thing most cyclists think when they clip in is - this might be my last ride. It's the FIRST thing I think of. Nobody is making me take any risk. It's all on me.
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I wonder why the negligent homicide charges. I don't think I have seen that in LA in recent years. Just a few months ago some idiot was texting and driving when she killed a cyclist. No charges at all.
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I am a bit perturbed by the state/county that just repaved a section of road near Mom's house for the first time in at least 40 years, and didn't bother to widen the shoulders on moderately busy road.
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So, if it had been an ordinary citizen, perhaps low income, they might not have thought twice about it.
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That was my thinking Clifford. The victim's status probably had a lot to do with it.
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Why am I not surprised?
Now, a couple of things that are unique about this. A "high profile" person was killed, and he presumably wasn't doing anything contributory to the accident.
Other accidents may have a cyclist riding salmon, running stops, swerving, etc. But, if Councilman Buddy Amoroso was riding in a straight line, and "visible", then it would be hard to do anything but blame the driver. Road condition? Position?
Nonetheless, 700 to 800 cyclists are killed on the streets a year. Singling out a couple of drivers for homicide charges, and letting the rest slide is an odd way of doing law enforcement.
Perhaps we need to look at different ways of doing law enforcement. For example, in our current "insurance" based society, fine the person $100,000, and they pay nothing, lose nothing.
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It's too bad that the 30,000 motorist deaths including their passengers are never a concern when talking about statistics. It's as if bad driving was an acceptable norm. It's what you get into when to drive.
As for status, this year some big collisions grabbed national headlines in Canada: 1) a hockey team in Saskatchewan lost 14 members on their way to a game; 2) singer-songwriter Burton Cummings suffered a concussion and injuries. We mourned for the hockey team and we were thankful of Cumming's recovery. But nobody spoke anything about the bad drivers that caused these collisions.
As for status, this year some big collisions grabbed national headlines in Canada: 1) a hockey team in Saskatchewan lost 14 members on their way to a game; 2) singer-songwriter Burton Cummings suffered a concussion and injuries. We mourned for the hockey team and we were thankful of Cumming's recovery. But nobody spoke anything about the bad drivers that caused these collisions.
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Sad, but I don't see where this is a hit and run, nor do I think there is an implicit racial element to it. What police and prosecutors did in jurisdictions elsewhere really has no bearing on how police and prosecutors handle this.
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Agree, not a hit and run. Do not agree that there is no implicit racial element. Maybe if you can find us a similar accident where a driver of color kills a white cyclist and is not charged at all or is held briefly and released after satisfying trivial traffic infraction offenses. In my short time here I have read (and been outraged) by numerous accounts of white drivers killing white cyclists and receiving scant financial penalty and no loss of liberty even after pleading guilty to distracted driving. If you can find even one of the 815 cyclist deaths last year where the driver was a person of color and escaped with the usual slap on the wrist that nauseate us all, then you can keep your credibility about this being a color blind example of justice in action. Is the drivers side of the story even known? Or is that not relevant if the driver is a person of color?
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Agree, not a hit and run. Do not agree that there is no implicit racial element. Maybe if you can find us a similar accident where a driver of color kills a white cyclist and is not charged at all or is held briefly and released after satisfying trivial traffic infraction offenses. In my short time here I have read (and been outraged) by numerous accounts of white drivers killing white cyclists and receiving scant financial penalty and no loss of liberty even after pleading guilty to distracted driving. If you can find even one of the 815 cyclist deaths last year where the driver was a person of color and escaped with the usual slap on the wrist that nauseate us all, then you can keep your credibility about this being a color blind example of justice in action. Is the drivers side of the story even known? Or is that not relevant if the driver is a person of color?
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If you can find even one of the 815 cyclist deaths last year where the driver was a person of color and escaped with the usual slap on the wrist that nauseate us all, then you can keep your credibility about this being a color blind example of justice in action. Is the drivers side of the story even known? Or is that not relevant if the driver is a person of color?
And, to be brutally honest, the number of stories I see about black cyclists killed by white drivers is nearly zero, certainly not with any sort of sample size to draw any significant conclusions.
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The Ghost of Scootertrash Past
"Today is a good day to die" has been expressed by different cultures, and this guy explains it well. I met the author once at an annual BMW motorcycle rally, and he mentioned how this concept was understood by motorcyclists.
The Ghost of Scootertrash Past
I just turned 60. Every time I throw my leg over a top-tube to ride near auto traffic I think to myself: "This could be my last few minutes on Earth". So if I ever get hozed, it's not premature - it's right on time. I make my choices and live or die by them without second guessing. However, I am totally done with cycling on 2-lane country highways with no shoulders (as many here already know). And lookie! I am still here wasting everybodie's breathing air!
The last thing most cyclists think when they clip in is - this might be my last ride. It's the FIRST thing I think of. Nobody is making me take any risk. It's all on me.
The last thing most cyclists think when they clip in is - this might be my last ride. It's the FIRST thing I think of. Nobody is making me take any risk. It's all on me.
The Ghost of Scootertrash Past
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I just turned 60. Every time I throw my leg over a top-tube to ride near auto traffic I think to myself: "This could be my last few minutes on Earth". So if I ever get hozed, it's not premature - it's right on time. I make my choices and live or die by them without second guessing. However, I am totally done with cycling on 2-lane country highways with no shoulders (as many here already know). And lookie! I am still here wasting everybodie's breathing air!
The last thing most cyclists think when they clip in is - this might be my last ride. It's the FIRST thing I think of. Nobody is making me take any risk. It's all on me.
The last thing most cyclists think when they clip in is - this might be my last ride. It's the FIRST thing I think of. Nobody is making me take any risk. It's all on me.
However, it would really make a big improvement on the road if motorists have this on their minds not as a fatalistic suicidal endeavor, but as something to avoid everytime they behind the wheel.
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I would hope that all you fascinated with the extreme risks you take getting on a bicycle will throw out your ladders today. Your risk of death from a fall is 600 times that of your risk of death from a bicycle.
Get some perspective, fellas. Eating Mexican lettuce is a risky activity. Cycling is not.
Get some perspective, fellas. Eating Mexican lettuce is a risky activity. Cycling is not.
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I would hope that all you fascinated with the extreme risks you take getting on a bicycle will throw out your ladders today. Your risk of death from a fall is 600 times that of your risk of death from a bicycle.
Get some perspective, fellas. Eating Mexican lettuce is a risky activity. Cycling is not.
Get some perspective, fellas. Eating Mexican lettuce is a risky activity. Cycling is not.
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The Ghost of Scootertrash Past
"Today is a good day to die" has been expressed by different cultures, and this guy explains it well. I met the author once at an annual BMW motorcycle rally, and he mentioned how this concept was understood by motorcyclists. The Ghost of Scootertrash Past
"Today is a good day to die" has been expressed by different cultures, and this guy explains it well. I met the author once at an annual BMW motorcycle rally, and he mentioned how this concept was understood by motorcyclists. The Ghost of Scootertrash Past
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Yep. Same goes for everything. When I cycle around motor vehicles I accept the risk and do not hold anyone else responsible. Until I run out of nerves. Then I go find a new pastime.
If you swim (or bike) where you KNOW there are sharks (drunk, distracted people), then don't cry like a baby when you get bitten. Take the risk and accept the consequences or stop taking the risk. It's pretty easy. Who cares if the driver goes to jail for life when your back is broken?
If you swim (or bike) where you KNOW there are sharks (drunk, distracted people), then don't cry like a baby when you get bitten. Take the risk and accept the consequences or stop taking the risk. It's pretty easy. Who cares if the driver goes to jail for life when your back is broken?
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