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Old 07-13-18, 08:00 PM
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TUEs and TdF

Are TdF 2018 TUEs public record? Or a (deep) secret.
Transparency in the peleton, should be the rule.
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No they aren't in 'the public record' but I agree they should be and have said it here priviously.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
Are TdF 2018 TUEs public record? .
Oh, BTW the rules apply to all races not just one.
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Personal medical records tend to be kept very private. Patient/Doctor confidentiality.

One of the issues with Asthma, of course, is that the cyclists often carry their inhalers with them, and use the inhaler during the race, so everyone can see.

Leaking the results of a single urine test from Froome to the press was extremely poorly handled... ok, not a TUE. But, a similar type of personal medical information.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Personal medical records tend to be kept very private. Patient/Doctor confidentiality.

One of the issues with Asthma, of course, is that the cyclists often carry their inhalers with them, and use the inhaler during the race, so everyone can see.

Leaking the results of a single urine test from Froome to the press was extremely poorly handled... ok, not a TUE. But, a similar type of personal medical information.
Yuppers.

The other side being....even setting aside confidentiality, it wouldn't build trust. People are so used to being lied-to and things PR-downplayed that it really wouldn't do anything to build trust.
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What would be interesting would be to see the TUEs with the names and teams redacted. Just the actual meds & doses.

Find out how many cyclists are getting steroid injections in the knees, or bee sting treatments.

Perhaps anonymously label riders so one can see if it is a single dose, or repetitive dose.

The problem, of course, is if something peaks the interest of the press, then they'll head off on a witch hunt until they identify the rider. So, the anonymity would be lost.
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If it's not performance enhancing let them all carry inhalers.
Level the playing field -- so that Froomie's wins will "stand the test of time"********************??

Zero credibility for Team Sky and it's GC riders current and past.
Excessive use of TUEs on your GC riders before and during Grand Tours is doping.
It's as plain as mystery shipments, inadequate medical record keeping, TUEs and double the allowed limits.
Sky is Postal.
Scratch them off of the list of credible teams.
Grand Tour victories on a team that has historically struggled in all other races is powerfully anecdotal.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
If it's not performance enhancing let them all carry inhalers.
Level the playing field -- so that Froomie's wins will "stand the test of time"********************??
As far as I can tell, inhaled salbutamol does not require a TUE.

So, yes, every cyclist could have their salbutamol inhaler, as long as the inhalers aren't spiked with something else like epinephrine.
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To be Very Clear-- (but only for people who actually want facts): Salbutamol does not Enhance performance. It Restores performance.

I am a lifelong asthmatic. I have used inhalers all my life.

An inhaler can Restore breathing when airways close due to asthma. An inhaler---unless it is spiked, as mentioned above--Cannot take a rider beyond where he would have been had he not had an asthma attack. it does not make a rider faster than he would be at full health.

If some people think no person with asthma should ride competitively, that is fine. But so long as asthmatics are allowed to compete and allowed to use inhalers ... people who want to change that should at least understand what they are talking about.

This has been said over and over, and can be found by using the magic of Google---if anyone cared to look.
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Would any sports professional recommend use of Salbutamol in a weight loss program?
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Would any sports professional recommend use of Salbutamol in a weight loss program?
No doubt the Pros will push any limits they think they can get away with. So, who knows.

If Froome was using Salbutamol and got caught with high doses without some documented history of Asthma, then he would have been thrown under the bus. And, of course, that is part of the complaint, whether the Asthma is being used as an excuse to mask inappropriate oral use of the meds.

Weight loss can be achieved with diet and exercise.

Interesting, but not surprising, nicotine & caffeine are both on a watch list, but not on a banned list. Smoking, of course, is associated with weight loss, and there is some evidence that e-cigarettes or vaping also helps with weight loss.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if pro cyclists would experiment with other legal means to achieve weight loss, assuming they don't choose to simply go with diet and exercise.
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Thomas and Froomie - wonder what TUE drugs they were on today? Stage 11, when they went 1 & 2 on GC @ TdF.
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