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eBay / CraigsList finds - "Are you looking for one of these!?" Part II
08-26-18, 08:25 PM
WGB
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Bianchi Campione del Mondo
(I always thought these were called Bianchi Strada)
Starting price is $80 BIN for $100 - catch - must pick up in Newburyport, Massachusetts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/bianchi-cam...gAAOSw~jpbSlv9
(I always thought these were called Bianchi Strada)
Starting price is $80 BIN for $100 - catch - must pick up in Newburyport, Massachusetts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/bianchi-cam...gAAOSw~jpbSlv9
08-26-18, 08:30 PM
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Doesn't look to be in bad shape, and mostly original. 24.5"
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-24-...a3eqO#shpCntId
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-24-...a3eqO#shpCntId
Says he will ship, make offer!
08-26-18, 08:37 PM
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One Of The "Good" Windsors?
Vintage Windsor Road Racer - $250 (summerville)
"Windsor road racer with 59cm steel lugged frame, 10 speed, 27 inch alloy wheelset and 27 inch tires, Shimano and Campy components, S. Marco saddle, new gear and brake cables, new bar wrap, everything works and looks great, $250, call or text"
https://charleston.craigslist.org/bi...681541397.html
08-26-18, 08:43 PM
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One Of The Seattle Raleighs
ROAD BIKE / MENS / RALEIGH / 56 CM /LIGHT WEIGHT / SUPER NICE - $250 (CHESTER VA)
"SUPER NICE VINTAGE RALEIGH ROAD BIKE / 56 CM / ALUMINUM RT 300
/ 14 SPEED / 4130 CHRO-MOLY / 700C TIRES / TOURING / ROAD BIKE"
https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...681517019.html
08-27-18, 08:20 AM
Bike Butcher of Portland
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If someone tells you that you have enough bicycles and you don't need any more, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
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08-27-18, 08:25 AM
Senior Member
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It was a 24" frame. Near where I worked. I had first contact/ first appointment with seller but some lying hack told him he would buy ALL of the bikes and got the first viewing. Of course, whoever bought the Paramount declined to buy the rest of the bikes. That's the way it is with some people these days. FWIW, seller wanted $200 each for the SS and Le Tour but was open to negotiation. The hack that bought it may have just flipped the Paramount on the Richmond CL.
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08-27-18, 01:06 PM
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While facilitating a CL purchase....
of another bike, he informed me of this Trek 520 from 1986 or thereabouts. I didn't measure it, but going by the steer tube, I'd guess it's a 56-57.
08-27-18, 01:12 PM
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A Lot Of Bike For The Buck
Univega Modo Vivere - $300 (Durham)
"
bicycle type: road
condition: good
frame size: 61 cm
make / manufacturer: Univega
model name / number: Modo Vivere
wheel size: 25 in
Hello, thanks for looking at this posting! Up for sale is a Univega Modo Vivere Roar bike that I purchased last year to try to get into road biking. Unfortunately, I realized it's not a hobby for me. My loss is your gain!
This bike comes with an insane amount of great features! 9 speed Campagnolo Rear Cogs, Campagnolo Mirage dual pivot brakes, Campagnolo Mirage levers, Campagnolo Veloce crankset, Aluminum micro-adjust seatpost, etc.
Really, too many options to list! Packed with top of the line Italian racing parts. Recently tuned at my local bike shop and is running great!
First one with the cash gets it! Feel free to take it for a test ride if you leave appropriate collateral to prevent theft."
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/bik/d...682175373.html
(Perhaps not "vintage", but Columbus tubed and Campagnolo kitted.)
08-27-18, 01:51 PM
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Bianchi Campione del Mondo
(I always thought these were called Bianchi Strada)
Starting price is $80 BIN for $100 - catch - must pick up in Newburyport, Massachusetts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/bianchi-cam...gAAOSw~jpbSlv9
(I always thought these were called Bianchi Strada)
Starting price is $80 BIN for $100 - catch - must pick up in Newburyport, Massachusetts.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/bianchi-cam...gAAOSw~jpbSlv9
This is a Bianchi Champione del Mondo from the early 80s, made in Italy.
Tim
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08-27-18, 05:52 PM
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Nice. These were made by Colnago (or one of the Colnago contrators) for a shop in California, IIRC.
..still... $600 is about $250-300 too much for a Victory/Triomphe equipped bike.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...676636840.htmlVintage Celo Europa - $600 (Cambridge)
Classic Celo Europa with a lugged steel frame. It is very lightweight and has a Campagnolo component group.
Size: 22 inches (Length of seat tube and length of top tube)
Tires: 700 cm
Asking for $600 OBO.
..still... $600 is about $250-300 too much for a Victory/Triomphe equipped bike.
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...676636840.htmlVintage Celo Europa - $600 (Cambridge)
Classic Celo Europa with a lugged steel frame. It is very lightweight and has a Campagnolo component group.
Size: 22 inches (Length of seat tube and length of top tube)
Tires: 700 cm
Asking for $600 OBO.
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08-27-18, 05:57 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...682227654.html
Ready to ride road bike, aluminum frame, 50cm seat tube frame size, small size, 700c wheel set, 12 speed gearing, shifts fine, tires are in good shape and they hold air, brakes work, chain is greased, drop bars, nice saddle, pedals spin, brake lines work, greased seat post, great for a long distance riding.
Schwinn Road Bike 50cm 12 speed - $180 (Jamaica Plain)
Ready to ride road bike, aluminum frame, 50cm seat tube frame size, small size, 700c wheel set, 12 speed gearing, shifts fine, tires are in good shape and they hold air, brakes work, chain is greased, drop bars, nice saddle, pedals spin, brake lines work, greased seat post, great for a long distance riding.- do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers
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08-27-18, 06:03 PM
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Not really C&V, but, um.... kinda... um... interesting?
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...678331880.html
Just tuned up by a bike mechanic to be sure everything works as it should -- brakes, gears, tires, etc
17.5" frame size with a suspension seat post for riders 5'5" to 5'10" give or take an inch or so depending on riding style
Lightweight frame
700 x 38c durable hybrid tires w/ full fenders to help protect you from road spray
7-speeds Twist Grip Shift .. This bike uses a very clever and deceptively simple shaft-drive. Yeah, that's right -- no greasy chain, no chainrings to chew up your pants. In fact, Dynamic takes things a step further by mounting the shaft-drive to a Shimano Nexus Inter-7 internal hub. So, no derailleurs either!
Front suspension
Convenient carrying rack over the rear tire
Water bottle holder
Kickstand
Makes for a great all-weather city commuter!
Ready to ride with no repairs or adjustments needed
Frame has some light scratches which do not impact the bike's performance and have been factored into the price
Three minute walk from the Porter Square train station (red line) in Cambridge near Harvard, MIT and Tufts!
To see more of our available bikes in Porter Square, please put the following in the search bar -- "5855Porter"
*** Cash .. PayPal .. VENMO are acceptable forms of payment ***
Call or text me at show contact info and please refer to the red Dynamic Runabout hybrid-style commuter ... Thank you!
https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...678331880.html
Dynamic hybrid / commuter bike w/ 17.5" frame for 5'5" to 5'10" - $325 (Cambridge / Porter Square (red line))
Just tuned up by a bike mechanic to be sure everything works as it should -- brakes, gears, tires, etc17.5" frame size with a suspension seat post for riders 5'5" to 5'10" give or take an inch or so depending on riding style
Lightweight frame
700 x 38c durable hybrid tires w/ full fenders to help protect you from road spray
7-speeds Twist Grip Shift .. This bike uses a very clever and deceptively simple shaft-drive. Yeah, that's right -- no greasy chain, no chainrings to chew up your pants. In fact, Dynamic takes things a step further by mounting the shaft-drive to a Shimano Nexus Inter-7 internal hub. So, no derailleurs either!
Front suspension
Convenient carrying rack over the rear tire
Water bottle holder
Kickstand
Makes for a great all-weather city commuter!
Ready to ride with no repairs or adjustments needed
Frame has some light scratches which do not impact the bike's performance and have been factored into the price
Three minute walk from the Porter Square train station (red line) in Cambridge near Harvard, MIT and Tufts!
To see more of our available bikes in Porter Square, please put the following in the search bar -- "5855Porter"
*** Cash .. PayPal .. VENMO are acceptable forms of payment ***
Call or text me at show contact info and please refer to the red Dynamic Runabout hybrid-style commuter ... Thank you!
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08-27-18, 06:04 PM
Peugeot PSV10 or somethin
Gorgeous Tange Prestige Novara. Really wish it was my size.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik...680836415.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik...680836415.html
08-27-18, 06:06 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...681942108.html
In excellent condition like brand new steel vintage style colnago 54 cm size with all brand new campagnolo chrorus 11 speed components
Cassette 11/25 crank 172.5 compact, rides like a dream.
42cm FSA carbon handlebar, carbon seat post and steam.
Serious inquires only, don't waste my time or yours, if the post is still there is because is still available. Email without a valid phone number will be deleted, thanks for looking.
Colnago super saronni - $2800 (Lowell)
In excellent condition like brand new steel vintage style colnago 54 cm size with all brand new campagnolo chrorus 11 speed componentsCassette 11/25 crank 172.5 compact, rides like a dream.
42cm FSA carbon handlebar, carbon seat post and steam.
Serious inquires only, don't waste my time or yours, if the post is still there is because is still available. Email without a valid phone number will be deleted, thanks for looking.
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08-27-18, 06:11 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/bi...677297806.html
Titan exclusive
Make me an offer
Titan Exklusiv Vintage Road bike.
SWISS Exklusiv TITAN Ribbed ORIA HI-TENSION tubing Race Bike high quality frame build
Weighs under 25 lbs. seat tube is 53cm
Some of the part include:
Mavic Rims
3TTT Stem
Campangnolo group set : 8 speed groupset, crank set, breaks, shifters / levers, derailleur,
HUBs etc
Titan Road Bike - $300 (Billerica)
Titan exclusive
Make me an offer
Titan Exklusiv Vintage Road bike.
SWISS Exklusiv TITAN Ribbed ORIA HI-TENSION tubing Race Bike high quality frame build
Weighs under 25 lbs. seat tube is 53cm
Some of the part include:
Mavic Rims
3TTT Stem
Campangnolo group set : 8 speed groupset, crank set, breaks, shifters / levers, derailleur,
HUBs etc
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08-27-18, 06:18 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...681860768.html
Classic mid-90's Bianchi Columbus in Celeste
- Frame made in Italy
- Shimano 600 Components
- Lever shifters upraded to paddle shifters, rear derailer upgraded to Ultrega
(Pedals and drink cages shown not included)
Bianchi Columbus - 54cm 54 cm - - $650 (Waltham)
Classic mid-90's Bianchi Columbus in Celeste- Frame made in Italy
- Shimano 600 Components
- Lever shifters upraded to paddle shifters, rear derailer upgraded to Ultrega
(Pedals and drink cages shown not included)
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08-27-18, 06:21 PM
Senior Member
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Gorgeous Tange Prestige Novara. Really wish it was my size.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik...680836415.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik...680836415.html
08-27-18, 06:23 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/bi...681646218.html
VINTAGE TREK 500 BICYCLE. I don't know much about this bike, but it's extremely lightweight. In a garage for years, so needs some cleaning. Otherwise in very nice condition, with a few marks on the paint. Charcoal gray. Matrix Strada wheels, which spin free and tires hold air All components move freely. $150. Matt 617-828-2392
VINTAGE TREK 500 BICYCLE - $150 (MILTON)
VINTAGE TREK 500 BICYCLE. I don't know much about this bike, but it's extremely lightweight. In a garage for years, so needs some cleaning. Otherwise in very nice condition, with a few marks on the paint. Charcoal gray. Matrix Strada wheels, which spin free and tires hold air All components move freely. $150. Matt 617-828-2392- do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers
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08-27-18, 07:42 PM
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These don't come up very often, a Colnago Master Extra Light in the Mapei paint for $2200 outside of Houston, TX
https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/d...681566627.html
https://houston.craigslist.org/bik/d...681566627.html
08-27-18, 08:52 PM
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08-27-18, 08:58 PM
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Cannondale Black Lightning - $200 (NE Minneapolis, MN)
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...682610989.html
08-28-18, 11:04 AM
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38 years inside the box and box itself in pretty nice condition yet.
08-28-18, 12:32 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...683026886.html
This is a 20" Miyata 600GT road bike. The bike is in very good condition and has been tuned up by a mechanic. 20" frame fits riders 5'5" - 5'7", give or take an inch. 21-speeds for versatile cruising.
Tags: road, mens, tuned up, used, Bike, 5'5"-5'7"
I've listed the bike on https://www.bikelord.co and so you can just complete the purchase there
Miyata 600GT - $185 (Somerville)
This is a 20" Miyata 600GT road bike. The bike is in very good condition and has been tuned up by a mechanic. 20" frame fits riders 5'5" - 5'7", give or take an inch. 21-speeds for versatile cruising. Tags: road, mens, tuned up, used, Bike, 5'5"-5'7"
I've listed the bike on https://www.bikelord.co and so you can just complete the purchase there
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08-28-18, 12:41 PM
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I was tempted to buy this for my 8 yr old, but at the rate he is growing, he'll be too big before he turns 9 in Nov 
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https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...682697384.htmlBianchi Sport SX vintage road bike 12 speed - $120 (West Roxbury)
Used (normal wear)
Bianchi road bike 12 speedFront wheel 520x25 mm, rear wheel 700x25mm. Steel frame 450mm(17,7inch)New tire. OPEN TO CHANGING PRICE
...https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...682697384.htmlBianchi Sport SX vintage road bike 12 speed - $120 (West Roxbury)
Used (normal wear)Bianchi road bike 12 speedFront wheel 520x25 mm, rear wheel 700x25mm. Steel frame 450mm(17,7inch)New tire. OPEN TO CHANGING PRICE
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08-28-18, 12:48 PM
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https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/bi...682600024.html
Hi,
Selling my tall frame Trek road bike.
-comes with blade tire, runs great on the road
-has a few scratch on the body
-newly replaced comfortable seat
-12 gears runs perfectly
-generally fits people above 6'0
Tall Frame TREK Road Bike (Large) - $110 (Cambridge)
Hi,Selling my tall frame Trek road bike.
-comes with blade tire, runs great on the road
-has a few scratch on the body
-newly replaced comfortable seat
-12 gears runs perfectly
-generally fits people above 6'0
- do NOT contact me with unsolicited services or offers
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