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What happens during bike on ped/bike crash

Old 08-19-20, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BoraxKid View Post
If they don't acknowledge my bell, I give 'em the buzzing they deserve. If I hit 'em, so what? Don't stand on the tracks when the train's comin' through!
Why do I find a comment like that from you not surprising?
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Old 08-19-20, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spelger View Post
Why do I find a comment like that from you not surprising?
because your sense of humor is not as robust as mine?
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Old 08-19-20, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
+1

The only times I'll use them is for commuting after dark, or a slow cool down after a ride.
+1

MUPs have too many kids, runners, dogs on those long leashes, ....etc. I avoid them almost all the time, and if I canít I go slow and give plenty of warning
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IANAL of course, but reading the law in my state it looks like "bicycle is a vehicle unless exempted" applies and there are numerous requirements for a vehicle user in an accident, so for example leaving the scene if there is personal injury could be felony hit and run.

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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
I have been riding my local MUP.
Most people ride or walk with head phones so crashes will 'be inevitable.
You use your bell and pass them at not much more than walking speed if you don't have much room.
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Some of you non-lawyers must have stayed at Holiday Inn Exprsses last night.
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
I have been riding my local MUP.

Most people ride or walk with head phones so crashes will 'be inevitable.
Get a fog horn? That should be loud enough for them to hear.

I find while riding MUPs that Iím frequently decelerating/accelerating as I come up on other trail users. I warn others (especially those walking dogs) when Iím coming up on them. I slow down to pass when necessary. I make sure the coast is clear and I donít cut off people heading the other direction when I pass.

there are still times when people donít hear me because of their music or conversations with friends. There are still times when people are looking elsewhere and will walk right into you, even when theyíre walking towards you.

Itís just like driving on the road, keep up your situational awareness and go a safe speed. Unlike the road though, you can go faster when others arenít around.
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Old 08-20-20, 10:48 AM
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Try to avoid MUPís but thereís one thatís lightly traveled just off a regular route. Saw a rider ahead who was kind of in la la land, weaving a bit so when I approached I loudly said I was on his left. He apparently didnít hear so as I was about to pass I screamed which startled him but he moved. Later he caught me on my purpose and was pissed that I yelled at him. What was I supposed to do? (Rhetorical question, just venting).
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Old 08-20-20, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by skier View Post
Get a fog horn? That should be loud enough for them to hear.
Even better:
https://www.hammacher.com/product/wo...t-bicycle-horn
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Old 08-20-20, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BoraxKid View Post
If you saw the sprinter up ahead, why didn't you slow down as you approached? It seems like you made things worse by not respecting other trail users.
The entire point of my anecdote was that the move was very abrupt and I had no way to anticipate it. The entire point of my post was that because of situations like this, I'm done using the MUP. Your expectation that every "respectful" cyclist will always overtake every pedestrian so slowly as to account for the possibility that the pedestrian might just suddenly shift all of their momentum a full 90 degrees to their left is not realistic. I am always vigilant to mitigate such risks; the fact that I have an anecdote about a time where the situation was so sudden that my vigilance failed me is a pretty lame reason to assume I'm not a respectful trail user. Thanks for sharing.
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Originally Posted by sanmateoclimber View Post
Your expectation that every "respectful" cyclist will always overtake every pedestrian so slowly as to account for the possibility that the pedestrian might just suddenly shift all of their momentum a full 90 degrees to their left is not realistic.
Well actually, my expectation that cyclists will respect other MUP users is the very definition of realistic. If you won't respect other trail users, stay off the trail.
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Old 08-20-20, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
That looks like the Hornit I have. It is a higher pitch and doesnít seem to command the attention as well as the lower pitched AirZound I used to have.

Neither is appropriate on a MUP IMO. Both too loud.

I have up close and personal foghorn experience. In my youth I had to test an installationís performance for Coast Guard requirements. I had earplugs, earmuff hearing protection and towels wrapped around my head. I stood something like 10-20í away with the decibel meter and they let it loose. I could feel the bones in my body vibrate.

Aha! I found it. Kahlenberg in Two Rivers WI are the go-to guys for foghorns. About 140 dB with 110 Hz.

Iím no sound expert but I know thereís no comparison between a Hornit and a Kahlenberg.. BB gun to a 155 howitzer....
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Old 08-20-20, 11:00 PM
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What abour bike on bike crashes

Thanks, lots of good advice for bike on pedestrian crashes but what about bike on bike crashes what happens then

Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
I have been riding my local MUP.

Most people ride or walk with head phones so crashes will 'be inevitable.

So what happens when it does. Is it like a car crash? Exchange numbers? Decide whose at fault? Or does everyone just pay for your own property and medical damage.
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Old 08-21-20, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
Thanks, lots of good advice for bike on pedestrian crashes but what about bike on bike crashes what happens then
And rollerbladers and skateboarders and wheelchair athletes and trikes and.....

Pay attention, maintain a space cushion, avoid almost all crashes and limit damage in the OPís ďinevitableĒ case. If required, lawyers for civil claims.

I believe skydivers and hot air balloons should be addressed in another thread.
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Old 08-21-20, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by flangehead View Post
That looks like the Hornit I have. It is a higher pitch and doesnít seem to command the attention as well as the lower pitched AirZound I used to have.

Neither is appropriate on a MUP IMO. Both too loud.

... Kahlenberg in Two Rivers WI are the go-to guys for foghorns. About 140 dB with 110 Hz ...
Yeah, that's just what we cyclists need. A 43" long, 20" wide, 148dB horn. Kahlenberg KM-135: click. Would have to find the right way to mount it. Probably an over-the-shoulder-Kahlenberg holder of some sort; that, or a BOB trailer. Boggles the mind.

You're probably right. The AirZound is about max, on a bike.
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Old 08-21-20, 09:18 AM
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Since the whole virus thing and being aware of social distancing , I decided that my self imposed 10 meter rule was not possible on a multi use path. I have quit using them and have found that it is much safer for me not dealing with pedestrians with headphones or ear buds walking right in the middle of the path or people walking 3 abreast and not wanting to move. The other hazard that I found was dog walkers with thin retractable leashes(usually dark colored) extended out across the width of the lane. These were just major frustrations on an otherwise enjoyable ride that I just don't need. Multi use paths are for everyone except a cyclist. Even though here in Ventura, on some, the city has gone to the trouble of painting lanes depicting pedestrian or cyclist, with signs. Very rare anyone pays attention.
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Old 08-21-20, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kabuki12 View Post
Since the whole virus thing and being aware of social distancing , I decided that my self imposed 10 meter rule was not possible on a multi use path. I have quit using them and have found that it is much safer for me not dealing with pedestrians with headphones or ear buds walking right in the middle of the path or people walking 3 abreast and not wanting to move. The other hazard that I found was dog walkers with thin retractable leashes(usually dark colored) extended out across the width of the lane. These were just major frustrations on an otherwise enjoyable ride that I just don't need. Multi use paths are for everyone except a cyclist. Even though here in Ventura, on some, the city has gone to the trouble of painting lanes depicting pedestrian or cyclist, with signs. Very rare anyone pays attention.
I limit my MUP/trail usage, but I'll often jump on one when convenient and I'm not in a hurry. One thing that I've seen since the pandemic is peds spilling over to the bike paths (we typically have separate bike/ped paths in the Twin Cities) and, even worse, peds social distance walking with each other on the bike path... IOW, two people will be walking, one on either side of the path, with 5-6' between them and no real room to the sides, forcing you to split them. Ugh.
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If overtaking someone and also having on coming traffic on any path or road, I'd hope you wait till the opposite lane is clear until passing. No sense going up the middle when you can just slow down to the 3 mph that many walk at.
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If overtaking someone and also having on coming traffic on any path or road, I'd hope you wait till the opposite lane is clear until passing. No sense going up the middle when you can just slow down to the 3 mph that many walk at.
If you're referring to my post, you misunderstand - I'm talking about people walking together, in the same direction, but purposely taking up the entire path so as to leave 5-6' between the two of them.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
If you're referring to my post, you misunderstand - I'm talking about people walking together, in the same direction, but purposely taking up the entire path so as to leave 5-6' between the two of them.
Oh................ yes that is very annoying. On yesterday's ride there were three or four times I encountered that and slowed way down hoping they'd get to the same side.

I tried several months ago to explain the dislike of having to go up the middle, but they just took me as a grouchy old man and out of my mind. While stating that they had the right to do what they wanted anytime.

So I'm a little skittish of talking to other's on the trail now.

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I consider myself an avid cyclist. MUP's are not for avid cyclists when they're being avid.
I will ride on MUP's, but I consider them to be primarily for pedestrians. That means I'm down to just about a walking pace when there are pedestrians around and I always defer to them, call out my intentions (such as "on your left") and pass slowly. I don't even trust that they will understand "on your left" as I've seen too many people actually move to their left upon hearing it.

Again, MUP's are mostly for pedestrians and cyclists need to extra considerate when using them.
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Yes, but don't think all MUP's are the same. Here ours is entirely for those out for fitness and leisure. It really isn't effective for those commuting to stores and work.

The first months of Covid did push me off of it entirely. But now that people are back to their old ways (even though Covid is still infecting at a high rate here) I've been riding the MUP more as there are some more crazy people on the road than prior to Covid. Mostly people looking at their phones instead of the road.

Since I'm pretty much on the retired side of any career or work, then there are certain times of the day I can ride and encounter very few joggers, walkers, runners or other cyclists. And it's nearly eleven miles end to end with a six mile stretch with no crossings or intersections that is on the end that few ever go to. Which gives a good section to go at it hard.

And most of the people that are problems are only seen one or two times, then there'll be a several weeks of people that have common sense and experience on the trail. But then other newbs will replace the previous eventually. Some learn and stay, others thankfully go away.

Hey... welcome to BF. Sometimes we get a little wrapped up in our personal viewpoint. But.... If you can take some heat now and then and don't take anything any of us say as a personal attack, then enjoy!
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Originally Posted by BoraxKid View Post
Well actually, my expectation that cyclists will respect other MUP users is the very definition of realistic. If you won't respect other trail users, stay off the trail.
I think most humans can be unpredictable at any given time. My experience is that areas like here in Southern California where a lot of us share a limited space it can be dangerous even if I am pedaling slowly. Which is why I no longer use multi use paths. I respect others and at times that is a one way deal. Not all humans are respectful and it only takes one to ruin a day of cycling. I have nearly been in a serious crash and it is not because I wasnít being ďrespectfulĒ.
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Originally Posted by UsedToBeFaster View Post
Most people ride or walk with head phones so crashes will 'be inevitable.
Not saying my experience trumps all, but having biked frequently on MUP's, I cannot recall a single dangerous incident that I would attribute to someone wearing headphones while walking or biking. About 95% of the time, it's a biker going too fast, taking risky passes, being reckless, staying two abreast on a narrow trail, etc.
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I don't understand why peds aren't required to have licences to walk on the MUP.
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