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6 to 7 speed
I'm building a bike for a friend.
Its a Miele with a "Terry" style frame, I posted about it before. Front wheel is 24 x 1 1/8. Tange Infinity frame, rear brake routed through top tube, Sikkens paint sticker, SLR brakes, Light Action 6 speed derailleur.
The rear wheel they gave me saying it wasn't the right wheel was a 27 inch wheel. I verified by putting a 700C wheel on the back, from the position of the brake pads, it had to have been a 700C wheel. BTW it was a 7 speed wheel I tried with, so I think I can cold set a seven speed even though by the RD A350 Light Action derailleur it was a 6 speed.
I read somewhere, perhaps here, that it is really the shifters that are indexed, and that if I put a 7 speed shifter on it, I might be able to get it to shift 7 speeds, after some adjustments. I do have some Sport LX 7 speed shifters.
My alternative is to either source a 6 speed wheel, or adjust it to just use 6 gears on a 7 gear freewheel, preferably the lower ones.
Thoughts? I could get a 7 speed derailleur and shifters, but that might raise the cost a little higher than anticipated.
I'm open to suggestions as to the best approach.
Sorry about the picture, its a little stretched.
Its a Miele with a "Terry" style frame, I posted about it before. Front wheel is 24 x 1 1/8. Tange Infinity frame, rear brake routed through top tube, Sikkens paint sticker, SLR brakes, Light Action 6 speed derailleur.
The rear wheel they gave me saying it wasn't the right wheel was a 27 inch wheel. I verified by putting a 700C wheel on the back, from the position of the brake pads, it had to have been a 700C wheel. BTW it was a 7 speed wheel I tried with, so I think I can cold set a seven speed even though by the RD A350 Light Action derailleur it was a 6 speed.
I read somewhere, perhaps here, that it is really the shifters that are indexed, and that if I put a 7 speed shifter on it, I might be able to get it to shift 7 speeds, after some adjustments. I do have some Sport LX 7 speed shifters.
My alternative is to either source a 6 speed wheel, or adjust it to just use 6 gears on a 7 gear freewheel, preferably the lower ones.
Thoughts? I could get a 7 speed derailleur and shifters, but that might raise the cost a little higher than anticipated.
I'm open to suggestions as to the best approach.
Sorry about the picture, its a little stretched.
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6 speed cog spacing is LIKELY" different than 7.
I'm not sure if 6 speed indexed systems used a RDER That is compatible with 7? If it were 7 indexed, you could go to 8 etc., but 6 speed is "early" and I'm simply not sure if they "cared" about future compatibility???
You could simply get an inexpensive 7 speed RDER IF there were problems.
I'd give the current RDER a try with your 7 speed shifters.
I'm not sure if 6 speed indexed systems used a RDER That is compatible with 7? If it were 7 indexed, you could go to 8 etc., but 6 speed is "early" and I'm simply not sure if they "cared" about future compatibility???
You could simply get an inexpensive 7 speed RDER IF there were problems.
I'd give the current RDER a try with your 7 speed shifters.
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Friction mode can always show you in the short term that the derailleur can handle the inward range. An indexing capable 6-speed Shimano should be able to handle the 7-speed change, in my experience. Swap in your 7-speed shifters and give it a go!
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No Indexing , no problem , go Friction shifting .. a 126mm wide freewheel hub can use either.
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Simplest would be using an 8 speed freehub wheel and 8 speed casssette. 7 speed freehub is very rare and hard to get wheel only. It is most likely found in a complete vintage bike.
If you want to use a new 7 speed wheel, you would likely have to use threaded rear hub with freewheel. Weaker design than cassette.
If you want to use a new 7 speed wheel, you would likely have to use threaded rear hub with freewheel. Weaker design than cassette.
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I have a 7 speed wheel I can use already.
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Simplest would be using an 8 speed freehub wheel and 8 speed casssette. 7 speed freehub is very rare and hard to get wheel only. It is most likely found in a complete vintage bike.
If you want to use a new 7 speed wheel, you would likely have to use threaded rear hub with freewheel. Weaker design than cassette.
If you want to use a new 7 speed wheel, you would likely have to use threaded rear hub with freewheel. Weaker design than cassette.
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Simply change shifters and rd fo 7 speed.
If you want to put a 6 speed freewheel that is fine also. No advantage there except that you don't have to change as many parts.
The advantage to going 7 speed is that there are more shifter and freewheel choices available.
But then, 8/9/10 speed parts are more easily available. Eventually your lbs won't sell the 6 or 7 speed parts or they would sell it expensively that it is not worth buying and you'd be better off buying newer parts online.
If you want to put a 6 speed freewheel that is fine also. No advantage there except that you don't have to change as many parts.
The advantage to going 7 speed is that there are more shifter and freewheel choices available.
But then, 8/9/10 speed parts are more easily available. Eventually your lbs won't sell the 6 or 7 speed parts or they would sell it expensively that it is not worth buying and you'd be better off buying newer parts online.
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You only have to change the shifters and rd to 7 speed. Chain is compatible with 7 speed.
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I still ride with a 7 speed freewheel. Since Terry bicycles started in the mid-80's your 126mm OLD freewheel wheel should just slide into the dropouts so just run 7 speeds.
As for drive train, here is everything on a nutshell... If you have a Shimano index rear derailleur you can run it with 6, 7, 8, 9 speeds. Likewise, you can run a 7, 8, or 9 speed derailleur with 6-9 speeds. Can't speak for 10 speeds as I believe some pulls are different. All that said, you should figure out what freewheel ratios you need and that might drive a different derailleur (long or medium cage or even a mountain bike rear derailleur) based on maximum cog. I run mountain bike rear derailleurs on both my wife's and my road bikes.
As others have said you can go with an 8-10 speed freehub and use a cassette. If you do this you will have to open the rear dropouts to fit 130mm. The advantage of this is being able to use a cassette, with more gear options, but more importantly you can go with brifters (brake lever shifters) that may be preferable. My wife uses 8 speed Shimano Claris, but you can go with 9 or 10 speeds.
The reason for this is if you want to go to index shifting. I really like down tube shifters, but some people don't like taking their hands off the handlebar. If you go to 7 speed index levers, eBay is your friend. Microshift does sell some, but a early set I got was low quality, might be better now.
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As for drive train, here is everything on a nutshell... If you have a Shimano index rear derailleur you can run it with 6, 7, 8, 9 speeds. Likewise, you can run a 7, 8, or 9 speed derailleur with 6-9 speeds. Can't speak for 10 speeds as I believe some pulls are different. All that said, you should figure out what freewheel ratios you need and that might drive a different derailleur (long or medium cage or even a mountain bike rear derailleur) based on maximum cog. I run mountain bike rear derailleurs on both my wife's and my road bikes.
As others have said you can go with an 8-10 speed freehub and use a cassette. If you do this you will have to open the rear dropouts to fit 130mm. The advantage of this is being able to use a cassette, with more gear options, but more importantly you can go with brifters (brake lever shifters) that may be preferable. My wife uses 8 speed Shimano Claris, but you can go with 9 or 10 speeds.
The reason for this is if you want to go to index shifting. I really like down tube shifters, but some people don't like taking their hands off the handlebar. If you go to 7 speed index levers, eBay is your friend. Microshift does sell some, but a early set I got was low quality, might be better now.
John
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Light action will run 7 speed without issue. All you should need is 7s shifters or friction.
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If it's a freewheel just put a 7 speed on there and run 7 or 8 speed shifters with the current rear derailleur. I've used 8 speed Claris STI with a 7 speed freewheel & 6 speed rear derailleur. The indexing is close enough to work fine
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