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Looks great! Even without the time frame. It'll still suck to see some get destroyed because a bike is such a useful object, and Raleigh did a lot right on these ones (and many others). This isn't even their cheapest, so that'll hurt some. At least the classics are safe...
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Looks great. Was cost a factor in not going with a leather Brooks saddle?
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I got the task of turning 2019 Raleigh Grand Sports into late 70's "vintage" looking bikes for a movie... I have one day to do a test build for approval. I know.
If they had given me a couple weeks I could have found multiple actual vintage frames to build to the exact same spec (these will be one bike in the movie).
We're doing a drivetrain swap with earlier gen 105 stuff to change to silver groupo. I know, but it's our best option for multiple quantities of parts in this time frame. We are swapping over to Dia-Compe Non Aero Levers, but having the threadless stem is killing me visually. I'm currently thinking black to minimize visibility... Anyone have any recommendations for things in my control? Seriously, I know frame and fork are impossible to be made to mimic a traditional bike. The frames will be painted by the studio.
https://www.raleighusa.com/grand-sport
If they had given me a couple weeks I could have found multiple actual vintage frames to build to the exact same spec (these will be one bike in the movie).
We're doing a drivetrain swap with earlier gen 105 stuff to change to silver groupo. I know, but it's our best option for multiple quantities of parts in this time frame. We are swapping over to Dia-Compe Non Aero Levers, but having the threadless stem is killing me visually. I'm currently thinking black to minimize visibility... Anyone have any recommendations for things in my control? Seriously, I know frame and fork are impossible to be made to mimic a traditional bike. The frames will be painted by the studio.
https://www.raleighusa.com/grand-sport
And if you only have a day to deliver, get off the 'Net and start wrenching! Got work to do, bud!
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If you're going to source from V-O, talk to them first about quantity and availability. The old V-O at least, seemed to run out of items rather quickly, suggesting they did not stock enough to handle the demand.
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Hero bike, bike with camera rig mounted to it, hero bike for second unit, three bikes for destruction if first two takes don't work, fourth destruction bike pre-damaged to achieve proper visual effect following crash.
They had over 15 different cases for the nuclear launch device in Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. Each case had various levels of damage, and some of them were made from soft rubber so you could whack someone in the face with them. They had half of a step van full of 'em.
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Things that could help:
Gum colored hoods.
Ditch the ergo bars for a normal drop bar in aluminum finish.
Frame-color matching cloth tape.
Contrasting color headtube. If there are no closeup shots, you could fake in some lug lining to make it look like there are lugs. If there is always an accenting color hitting the "lugs", it will be a little more convincing.
Silver or white cable housing.
Fake some chrome on to the fork and rear triangle.
Maybe some pin striping running the length of the fork to accentuate the length and make it look less chunky?
Frame pump
Skewer with aluminum finish instead of black
Tubular tire carrier
Gum colored hoods.
Ditch the ergo bars for a normal drop bar in aluminum finish.
Frame-color matching cloth tape.
Contrasting color headtube. If there are no closeup shots, you could fake in some lug lining to make it look like there are lugs. If there is always an accenting color hitting the "lugs", it will be a little more convincing.
Silver or white cable housing.
Fake some chrome on to the fork and rear triangle.
Maybe some pin striping running the length of the fork to accentuate the length and make it look less chunky?
Frame pump
Skewer with aluminum finish instead of black
Tubular tire carrier
I would say take the coloring scheme from the green and black Raleigh Grand Prix or any early '70s Schwinn Varsinental. Get B17 or leather substitute saddles, with silver setback seat posts, also black handlebar tape, preferably Tressostar or other cotton. Saddle installations without setback was not heard of. Instant recognition on-screen as a "vintage" bike would seem to be the point. I think the reference to tubulars will be lost on all but the dweebs, like us.
Is 105 available in silver and with short cage derailleurs? Hilly or flat? Will these prop bikes actually be ridden before getting run over, or whatever?
I really like the idea of painting in lugs and lug lines - I think that will be effective camoflage on-camera. If there's a close-up you need a "beauty spot" model, real lugs, possibly real geometry. Buy one 1970 Grand Prix for that purpose.
Also, seat tube color band - follow the Grand Prix pattern.
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How to do it the #disrespectedcinema way:
Get some black Oracal vinyl and some gold automobile trim stripes. Get the first gold Raleigh decals you can get your hands on, or peel off the ones on the production bike if you can. Make black downtube and top tube bands a-la Raleigh Grand Prix with the black vinyl, and trim the ends in gold. Stick gold Raleigh decals on top. Spray bomb all dark bits chrome silver.
Done, profit made.
We will all wait patiently to b!tch at the prop department when the show comes out.
Important: Who gets the junkers?
-Kurt
Get some black Oracal vinyl and some gold automobile trim stripes. Get the first gold Raleigh decals you can get your hands on, or peel off the ones on the production bike if you can. Make black downtube and top tube bands a-la Raleigh Grand Prix with the black vinyl, and trim the ends in gold. Stick gold Raleigh decals on top. Spray bomb all dark bits chrome silver.
Done, profit made.
We will all wait patiently to b!tch at the prop department when the show comes out.
Important: Who gets the junkers?
-Kurt
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Does the bike belong to the production or is it a loaner you intend to ride? It looks great.
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Last minute picture. I had to crop the hell out of it.
The presence of the trash can seemed to suggest that I was begging for it
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Needs an orange safety flag.
Lemme guess, they hemmed and hawed and procrastinated for months, then they needed it tomorrow?
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Krane, you mean MY photo? The true answer is, I got sick of correcting it and having BF then decide I am wrong and turn it back sideways. I guess I'm due to try again someday soon.
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I think you did a very good job considering how much time you had.
Maybe one of the actors will try to take one home, thinking it will be valuable one day, only to find out...
Important question: Who is the crazy North Korean running around your neighborhood and writing on walls?
Maybe one of the actors will try to take one home, thinking it will be valuable one day, only to find out...
Important question: Who is the crazy North Korean running around your neighborhood and writing on walls?
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Reading this thread reminds me of the one time I helped get a bike ready for the spotlights. I was working for a company that sponsored a number of athletes, among them a mountain bike racer. Company was getting ready to open a store that would include memorabilia from its various athletes.
Arrangements had been made with the rider to one of his bikes at the end of the season. We would had over the bike to the folks opening the store, and that would be that.
Except.....store opening was delayed. When it was time to start sending props to store, we contacted the rider. Turns out when we didn’t ask for the bike on the original schedule, he figured we didn’t want it. So he sold it.
Now we don’t have the promised bike, we are getting pushed from the store to deliver it, and on top that, the model had only been distributed to factory team riders. So we go to the bike company. They have one of these bikes left and they sold it to us. Don’t recall the exact price, but there was a lot of push back when the expense report went in.
So now we have a bike that is supposed to have been raced but it looks brand new. Because it is. We pull off the tires, replacing them with worn tires of the same model. We drop the bike a few times. We drag it around a parking lot to add some scrapes. Our prep is concluded after pushing the bike down a flight of stairs several times. With that, we turned the bike over team opening the store.
Several months later, we go to the store opening. We are expecting that someone will spot our deception. Nope. Turns out, the store designers had a change in vision. All of the memorabilia from all of the athletes was on display, but it has been painted a neutral color, and hung from the ceiling. All of the money and effort we put into that bike? With how it was used, we could have bought something off the floor at Kmart and it just would not have mattered.
And no, the bike is no longer there. The store moved. The displays were tossed.
Arrangements had been made with the rider to one of his bikes at the end of the season. We would had over the bike to the folks opening the store, and that would be that.
Except.....store opening was delayed. When it was time to start sending props to store, we contacted the rider. Turns out when we didn’t ask for the bike on the original schedule, he figured we didn’t want it. So he sold it.
Now we don’t have the promised bike, we are getting pushed from the store to deliver it, and on top that, the model had only been distributed to factory team riders. So we go to the bike company. They have one of these bikes left and they sold it to us. Don’t recall the exact price, but there was a lot of push back when the expense report went in.
So now we have a bike that is supposed to have been raced but it looks brand new. Because it is. We pull off the tires, replacing them with worn tires of the same model. We drop the bike a few times. We drag it around a parking lot to add some scrapes. Our prep is concluded after pushing the bike down a flight of stairs several times. With that, we turned the bike over team opening the store.
Several months later, we go to the store opening. We are expecting that someone will spot our deception. Nope. Turns out, the store designers had a change in vision. All of the memorabilia from all of the athletes was on display, but it has been painted a neutral color, and hung from the ceiling. All of the money and effort we put into that bike? With how it was used, we could have bought something off the floor at Kmart and it just would not have mattered.
And no, the bike is no longer there. The store moved. The displays were tossed.
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Reading this thread reminds me of the one time I helped get a bike ready for the spotlights. I was working for a company that sponsored a number of athletes, among them a mountain bike racer. Company was getting ready to open a store that would include memorabilia from its various athletes.
Arrangements had been made with the rider to one of his bikes at the end of the season. We would had over the bike to the folks opening the store, and that would be that.
Except.....store opening was delayed. When it was time to start sending props to store, we contacted the rider. Turns out when we didn’t ask for the bike on the original schedule, he figured we didn’t want it. So he sold it.
Now we don’t have the promised bike, we are getting pushed from the store to deliver it, and on top that, the model had only been distributed to factory team riders. So we go to the bike company. They have one of these bikes left and they sold it to us. Don’t recall the exact price, but there was a lot of push back when the expense report went in.
So now we have a bike that is supposed to have been raced but it looks brand new. Because it is. We pull off the tires, replacing them with worn tires of the same model. We drop the bike a few times. We drag it around a parking lot to add some scrapes. Our prep is concluded after pushing the bike down a flight of stairs several times. With that, we turned the bike over team opening the store.
Several months later, we go to the store opening. We are expecting that someone will spot our deception. Nope. Turns out, the store designers had a change in vision. All of the memorabilia from all of the athletes was on display, but it has been painted a neutral color, and hung from the ceiling. All of the money and effort we put into that bike? With how it was used, we could have bought something off the floor at Kmart and it just would not have mattered.
And no, the bike is no longer there. The store moved. The displays were tossed.
Arrangements had been made with the rider to one of his bikes at the end of the season. We would had over the bike to the folks opening the store, and that would be that.
Except.....store opening was delayed. When it was time to start sending props to store, we contacted the rider. Turns out when we didn’t ask for the bike on the original schedule, he figured we didn’t want it. So he sold it.
Now we don’t have the promised bike, we are getting pushed from the store to deliver it, and on top that, the model had only been distributed to factory team riders. So we go to the bike company. They have one of these bikes left and they sold it to us. Don’t recall the exact price, but there was a lot of push back when the expense report went in.
So now we have a bike that is supposed to have been raced but it looks brand new. Because it is. We pull off the tires, replacing them with worn tires of the same model. We drop the bike a few times. We drag it around a parking lot to add some scrapes. Our prep is concluded after pushing the bike down a flight of stairs several times. With that, we turned the bike over team opening the store.
Several months later, we go to the store opening. We are expecting that someone will spot our deception. Nope. Turns out, the store designers had a change in vision. All of the memorabilia from all of the athletes was on display, but it has been painted a neutral color, and hung from the ceiling. All of the money and effort we put into that bike? With how it was used, we could have bought something off the floor at Kmart and it just would not have mattered.
And no, the bike is no longer there. The store moved. The displays were tossed.
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Reading this thread reminds me of the one time I helped get a bike ready for the spotlights. I was working for a company that sponsored a number of athletes, among them a mountain bike racer. Company was getting ready to open a store that would include memorabilia from its various athletes.
Arrangements had been made with the rider to one of his bikes at the end of the season. We would had over the bike to the folks opening the store, and that would be that.
Except.....store opening was delayed. When it was time to start sending props to store, we contacted the rider. Turns out when we didn’t ask for the bike on the original schedule, he figured we didn’t want it. So he sold it.
Now we don’t have the promised bike, we are getting pushed from the store to deliver it, and on top that, the model had only been distributed to factory team riders. So we go to the bike company. They have one of these bikes left and they sold it to us. Don’t recall the exact price, but there was a lot of push back when the expense report went in.
So now we have a bike that is supposed to have been raced but it looks brand new. Because it is. We pull off the tires, replacing them with worn tires of the same model. We drop the bike a few times. We drag it around a parking lot to add some scrapes. Our prep is concluded after pushing the bike down a flight of stairs several times. With that, we turned the bike over team opening the store.
Several months later, we go to the store opening. We are expecting that someone will spot our deception. Nope. Turns out, the store designers had a change in vision. All of the memorabilia from all of the athletes was on display, but it has been painted a neutral color, and hung from the ceiling. All of the money and effort we put into that bike? With how it was used, we could have bought something off the floor at Kmart and it just would not have mattered.
And no, the bike is no longer there. The store moved. The displays were tossed.
Arrangements had been made with the rider to one of his bikes at the end of the season. We would had over the bike to the folks opening the store, and that would be that.
Except.....store opening was delayed. When it was time to start sending props to store, we contacted the rider. Turns out when we didn’t ask for the bike on the original schedule, he figured we didn’t want it. So he sold it.
Now we don’t have the promised bike, we are getting pushed from the store to deliver it, and on top that, the model had only been distributed to factory team riders. So we go to the bike company. They have one of these bikes left and they sold it to us. Don’t recall the exact price, but there was a lot of push back when the expense report went in.
So now we have a bike that is supposed to have been raced but it looks brand new. Because it is. We pull off the tires, replacing them with worn tires of the same model. We drop the bike a few times. We drag it around a parking lot to add some scrapes. Our prep is concluded after pushing the bike down a flight of stairs several times. With that, we turned the bike over team opening the store.
Several months later, we go to the store opening. We are expecting that someone will spot our deception. Nope. Turns out, the store designers had a change in vision. All of the memorabilia from all of the athletes was on display, but it has been painted a neutral color, and hung from the ceiling. All of the money and effort we put into that bike? With how it was used, we could have bought something off the floor at Kmart and it just would not have mattered.
And no, the bike is no longer there. The store moved. The displays were tossed.
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With all the constraints that is a really nice job.... only us freaks will notice the sloping top tube and I bet it is lest noticable with some one on the bike
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This is great! Nice work, especially given the restraints. You could also easily remove those shiny bolts on the seatstay rack mounts. Not many vintage roadies had those. Btw, have you ever worked with Coco's Variety? Pretty cool little bike shop and prop rental place in LA that I have been following on Instagram for a while. I visited it when I was down there. They also appreciate the vintage.
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When speaking of multiples needed for film productions, think of this - in Doctor Strange, the Lamborghini sports car crash required the destruction of 6 individual cars to get all the shots and more to make it look like one continuous crash scene. Then they used one carcass as the partially submerged car and another cut open to use for interior scenes. Yes, there was plenty of CGI too but consider that sequence probably ran a budget of $2M just for the cars and another $10M in filming, and $10-20M in post production - all for about 1-2minutes of screen time.
7-8 bicycles done up pretty much the same may cost $10-20K all told and yes, they become property of the production company. The damaged ones will likely be destroyed completely to avoid any liability. If there is one or two left intact, they might be used for advertising photos or other promotions but unlikely sold off or given to someone other than insiders, again because of liability issues, partly because they are custom built and not necessarily built for normal consumer use.
I’m pretty sure La Brea Bike will have to sign a waiver when releasing the bikes that say LBB is not liable for anything regarding the bikes, unless they are hired on to maintain them. Even then, the production company will cover any medical issues that may happen during shooting.
I do hope though La Brea Bike and the owner’s name get named in the credits for supplying the bikes.
7-8 bicycles done up pretty much the same may cost $10-20K all told and yes, they become property of the production company. The damaged ones will likely be destroyed completely to avoid any liability. If there is one or two left intact, they might be used for advertising photos or other promotions but unlikely sold off or given to someone other than insiders, again because of liability issues, partly because they are custom built and not necessarily built for normal consumer use.
I’m pretty sure La Brea Bike will have to sign a waiver when releasing the bikes that say LBB is not liable for anything regarding the bikes, unless they are hired on to maintain them. Even then, the production company will cover any medical issues that may happen during shooting.
I do hope though La Brea Bike and the owner’s name get named in the credits for supplying the bikes.
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