Dura Ace or 105?
09-25-19, 06:42 PM
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Definitely a sought-after group, no doubt due to it being the final silver DA. Pity about the external shift cables spoiling its otherwise extreme slickness.
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09-25-19, 06:58 PM
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NOS 7800 put on 1983 frame in 2014. No scratches. Sad thing is that a soulless, plastic bike has relegated it to the trainer because it so f’ing much more fun to ride.
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You should sell that group to a collector before it gets all corroded.
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09-25-19, 08:12 PM
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Hmm, now I'm thinking I should've just sold the shifters and used the group with Ergos and a Shiftmate... ah well, my Red gear is lighter, and I've got another bike with mostly 7700, the all-important 7800 crank, and Ergos. Its a wall hanger though; I've had the rock hard ally frame since last century, before I had a car. Sentiment costs you...
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09-26-19, 06:01 PM
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A year or two ago I picked up an '06 TCR Advanced LE with only a season or two's use on it for AU$600, with only some light scratching on the levers from the previous owner's rings, and a nasty mark on the left crank arm presumably from something rubbing against it while on a car rack or something... overhauled the groupset (including pedals but no hubs), and sold it for $560. If it wasn't for that gouge on the crank arm (which I mostly polished out), I reckon I could've got $750 or even $800...
Definitely a sought-after group, no doubt due to it being the final silver DA. Pity about the external shift cables spoiling its otherwise extreme slickness.
Definitely a sought-after group, no doubt due to it being the final silver DA. Pity about the external shift cables spoiling its otherwise extreme slickness.
09-27-19, 11:01 AM
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You can get a Di2 bike for about the same price as mechanical DA. I went with hydro Di2 for my bike this year.
Since high school, I've always paid the (small) premium for Ultegra over 105. I have no idea if there's any real difference between the two groups, I suspect not. Still, components last a long time if you take care of them (and don't crash), amortizing the small extra cost of Ultegra over the life of the components make this incremental cost essentially meaningless. On the other hand, Dura-Ace's almost literal DOUBLING of Ultegra cost for very marginal differences has always been hard for me to logically justify. Dura-Ace is for people who want Dura-Ace, if you catch my drift. I've only bought Dura Ace once in my life and that was all the way back in the 8-speed 7402 era.
I've always gone by the rule of thumb to only ride bikes I can afford to crash and utterly destroy with impunity. As I've gotten older and made more money, the bikes that fit that description have gone up in price.
BTW, I agree that the 7800/6600 was likely the pinnacle of "old school" Shimano. Impeccable performance, unbeatable durability, classic looks and easy to work on. I still have a road bike with 6600, I don't think that stuff is ever going to die. I replaced the cables, brake pads, chainrings, chain and cassette just for the hell of it this summer. That bike is good for another 15 years.
Since high school, I've always paid the (small) premium for Ultegra over 105. I have no idea if there's any real difference between the two groups, I suspect not. Still, components last a long time if you take care of them (and don't crash), amortizing the small extra cost of Ultegra over the life of the components make this incremental cost essentially meaningless. On the other hand, Dura-Ace's almost literal DOUBLING of Ultegra cost for very marginal differences has always been hard for me to logically justify. Dura-Ace is for people who want Dura-Ace, if you catch my drift. I've only bought Dura Ace once in my life and that was all the way back in the 8-speed 7402 era.
I've always gone by the rule of thumb to only ride bikes I can afford to crash and utterly destroy with impunity. As I've gotten older and made more money, the bikes that fit that description have gone up in price.
BTW, I agree that the 7800/6600 was likely the pinnacle of "old school" Shimano. Impeccable performance, unbeatable durability, classic looks and easy to work on. I still have a road bike with 6600, I don't think that stuff is ever going to die. I replaced the cables, brake pads, chainrings, chain and cassette just for the hell of it this summer. That bike is good for another 15 years.
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I’m on 5800. People mostly don’t care. But there are snobs. There’s guys on the hammer ride that I can drop like a rock in a lake talking about how I should at least have Ultegra. Maybe someday sure. But good enough now for a pack-fill 4/5 racer wannabe and weeknight worlds champ, lol.
