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Old 10-14-19, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sumgy
My thoughts are don't.
But I just hate the look of quill adapters and modern stems on retro race frames.

Oh, and Brooks saddles. :/
I toyed around with getting a pair of handlebars that fit a quill stem. I will admit that would look the best. A nice simple quill stem looks great.

I'll get an adapter. The handlebars I ordered are 31.8. the Velo Orange one looks really clean, well as clean as an adapter can be. Nicely polished, matching adapter and stem.

I'm always for a Brooks saddle. I've had a ton of pressure and numbness issues with other saddles. But non of those issues while riding Brooks. I also really like the look.
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Old 10-14-19, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by gil_00000
I toyed around with getting a pair of handlebars that fit a quill stem. I will admit that would look the best. A nice simple quill stem looks great.

I'll get an adapter. The handlebars I ordered are 31.8. the Velo Orange one looks really clean, well as clean as an adapter can be. Nicely polished, matching adapter and stem.

I'm always for a Brooks saddle. I've had a ton of pressure and numbness issues with other saddles. But non of those issues while riding Brooks. I also really like the look.
Nice bars for a quill. Only need to look for a Nito M106
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Old 10-14-19, 07:04 AM
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Australian built Paconi (SLX New) with 7800 gear, and 6700 hubs on black Sun CR18 rims.
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Originally Posted by gil_00000
I was thinking of going the carbon fork route for a few reasons. I haven't ridden carbon. If I got a carbon fork I'd be able to run a threadless stem to clean the cockpit up.
https://www.amazon.com/innicycle-Con.../dp/B07KFYZPD2

Consider this instead of a threadless stem conversion. Ive used the VO quill conversion and it is the nicest of the quill conversions, but if you want a project and also want threadless- consider the innicycle. It gives you threadless without the look of quill conversions.
Plus, it is designed and sold by forum member joejack.
I am going to use one on my next road frame project this winter.

Cheaper than a Ritchey carbon fork, keeps the matching color fork, and gives you the same project as a carbon fork of replacing the headset.
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Originally Posted by jbchybridrider
Love the chromed stays and crankset. Super long rear derailleur arm...or may just seem like that due to the positioning?
red + chrome + black = cant stop looking!
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Originally Posted by familyguy
Australian built Paconi (SLX New) with 7800 gear, and 6700 hubs on black Sun CR18 rims.
Never heard of the brand. Thanks for giving me a topic to look up and read about! I always love learning about the local/regional brands around the world.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Love the chromed stays and crankset. Super long rear derailleur arm...or may just seem like that due to the positioning?
red + chrome + black = cant stop looking!
Thanks, yeah it's a Sram Red long cage for 11-34 cassette. Hills are steep here.
I'm considering putting the original steel fork back on just for esthetics, a tough decision when the Easton rides much better.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Never heard of the brand. Thanks for giving me a topic to look up and read about! I always love learning about the local/regional brands around the world.
Australia made many fine bikes
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Old 10-14-19, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by familyguy


Australian built Paconi (SLX New) with 7800 gear, and 6700 hubs on black Sun CR18 rims.
Smoking!
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Love the chromed stays and crankset. Super long rear derailleur arm...or may just seem like that due to the positioning?
red + chrome + black = cant stop looking!
Interesting set of rims there. I'm guessing there is not a paint scheme out there that they won't look good with.
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Originally Posted by seypat
Interesting set of rims there. I'm guessing there is not a paint scheme out there that they won't look good with.
The famous Mavic sys wheels and not for all the right reasons thanks to one photo. Actually one of the finest wheels around imo...
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Originally Posted by jbchybridrider
The famous Mavic sys wheels and not for all the right reasons thanks to one photo. Actually one of the finest wheels around imo...
They have some black, some white, some dark, some light, some shiny and some different colors. Checks all of the boxes. Like I said, you can put them with any color and they will look good.
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Originally Posted by jbchybridrider
Thanks, yeah it's a Sram Red long cage for 11-34 cassette. Hills are steep here.
I'm considering putting the original steel fork back on just for esthetics, a tough decision when the Easton rides much better.
Definitely not knocking the use of a long cage, it just stuck out when looking at the bike. Its probably the writing on it vs a blank black arm. Totally understand using gears that work.
The black fork looks good to me since the saddle, shifters, and tape are black. You have some black, some chrome and some red thats well distributed. And the gunmetal gray stem works too.
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Old 10-14-19, 08:00 PM
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Sadly I think Paconi itself is vanishing, as the owner/head builder (Kevin Wigham is the main name connected with the brand) has gone very quiet. There are few Australian marques that pop up now and then on here. A few of the builders are quite well renowned, certainly here, if not in other countries. Feel free to PM me if you want info, I'll see if I can direct you to other wiser heads or resources.
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Originally Posted by familyguy
Sadly I think Paconi itself is vanishing, as the owner/head builder (Kevin Wigham is the main name connected with the brand) has gone very quiet. There are few Australian marques that pop up now and then on here. A few of the builders are quite well renowned, certainly here, if not in other countries. Feel free to PM me if you want info, I'll see if I can direct you to other wiser heads or resources.
Wasn't Paconi part of Cecil Walker?
There have also been Hoffy, Van Werkhoven, Kenevans, Euro, Beretto, Frezoni, Llewellyn, Malvern Star.
More recently there has been Devlin and Kumo.
Obviously a lot more than that, but those are who I can think of off the top of my head.
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Kevin may have built for Cecil Walker for a while. I think it's all a bit of a cosa nostra for Aussie builders. I've got a Paconi, Cecil Walker, Kenevans, and a Conceicao in the stable. Always keeping my eye open for a nice local frame (that fits me).

Meaning no disrespect to others who built for these makers under license or whatever agreements, the ones I can put names to are:
(* means still making stuff as far as I know)

Paconi (Kevin Wigham)
Cecil Walker (Cecil Walker)
Hillman (Gordon Hill)
Bundy (Bundy brothers, but pretty much every Aussie builder has built for them)
Clamont/Gefsco (Geoff Scott)
Europa (John Abeni)
Kenevans (Ken Evans)*
Beretto (Brett Richardson)
Euro (Brian Hayes)
Frezoni (Joe Cosgrove)
Hoffy (Eric Hendren)
Baum (Darren Baum)*
Van Werkhoven (Andrew Van Werkhoven)
Llewellyn (Darrell McCulloch)*
Kumo (Keith Marshall)*
Kypo/le Kypo (Rob Kypriotis)
Conceicao/Albion Cycles (Frank Conceicao, but all built by others under his name I believe)
SorenSon (?)
Ciombola (Michael Abel/Wayne Roberts)
Wayne Roberts (Wayne Roberts)
Malvern Star (everyone and anyone, even carbon of late)

Tamari (?)

Plus there's a bunch of small volume builders doing awesome stuff. A whole slew of Aussie names have come and gone. This is by no means even close to complete!
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Originally Posted by familyguy
Kevin may have built for Cecil Walker for a while. I think it's all a bit of a cosa nostra for Aussie builders. I've got a Paconi, Cecil Walker, Kenevans, and a Conceicao in the stable. Always keeping my eye open for a nice local frame (that fits me).

Meaning no disrespect to others who built for these makers under license or whatever agreements, the ones I can put names to are:
(* means still making stuff as far as I know)

Paconi (Kevin Wigham)
Cecil Walker (Cecil Walker)
Hillman (Gordon Hill)
Bundy (Bundy brothers, but pretty much every Aussie builder has built for them)
Clamont/Gefsco (Geoff Scott)
Europa (John Abeni)
Kenevans (Ken Evans)*
Beretto (Brett Richardson)
Euro (Brian Hayes)
Frezoni (Joe Cosgrove)
Hoffy (Eric Hendren)
Baum (Darren Baum)*
Van Werkhoven (Andrew Van Werkhoven)
Llewellyn (Darrell McCulloch)*
Kumo (Keith Marshall)*
Kypo/le Kypo (Rob Kypriotis)
Conceicao/Albion Cycles (Frank Conceicao, but all built by others under his name I believe)
SorenSon (?)
Ciombola (Michael Abel/Wayne Roberts)
Wayne Roberts (Wayne Roberts)
Malvern Star (everyone and anyone, even carbon of late)

Tamari (?)

Plus there's a bunch of small volume builders doing awesome stuff. A whole slew of Aussie names have come and gone. This is by no means even close to complete!
My understanding was that Hoffy, Van Werkhoven and Tom Wallace used to all work together in some ways.
I had a Van Werkhoven track frame and it had Hoffy stamped into the BB shell.

I had an interesting visit to Joe's shop. He straightened out the fork on my Concorde.
I reckon I was there for about 2 hours for him to do 15 minutes work and he then charged me $75.

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Not mine...CL 73 Raleigh Comp w/ SRAM Force STIs & Fenders.. 19.8lbs

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/...994992312.html

Frame looks bigger than a 56.
Odd front fender.

Image is a screenshot:

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Front fender results of a cut to fit for maximum clearance. Cut off piece is attached in various ways to its position in front of brake caliper. Some dislike the result & fenders (with or w/o tip) end up in the used, cutrate stuff. I have a couple cut-off, plastic fronts from a free, take-off pile. Also paid a bargain price for a set of Giles Berthaud SS fenders with extra, unsightly, 1/4" holes. A failed attempt to fit a 700c set to 650b wheels. They looked great on my Miata Seven Ten commuter. Don
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Raleigh's were sold in inch increments, not centimeters. If it is a 22 1/2" then it is closer to 57cm, but I agree it looks bigger due to the head tube length.
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Originally Posted by TugaDude
Raleigh's were sold in inch increments, not centimeters. If it is a 22 1/2" then it is closer to 57cm, but I agree it looks bigger due to the head tube length.
Agreed.

Below is a pic of my '73 Comp, 22 1/2" / 57cm frame, C to Top.
The CL frame above has a larger headtube.
Maybe the CL seller measured C to C.

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Originally Posted by chainwhip
Agreed.

Below is a pic of my '73 Comp, 22 1/2" / 57cm frame, C to Top.
The CL frame above has a larger headtube.
Maybe the CL seller measured C to C.

Nice ride! I really like those cranks. I saw them on a Raleigh International and I immediately liked them.
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Updates to my Shogun build

30 miler today, cool but super sunny.


Zonda bling swapped out for Mavic wheelset. 23c Luganos swapped for
25c Vredestein Roleurs.


Light weight, Selle San Marco Aspide swapped in.



The Shogun has a new, inexpensive 50/34 compact crankset and new cartridge bottom bracket, which replaces the original Shimano Biopace 52/42 chainset.

Biggest get-it-up-and-go update: pair of second hand Speedplays paired with my existing shoes and cleats.

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FINALLY got everything together I needed to finish this build. Absolute mish-mash of parts that work together soooo well.
1970s Windsor with Campy dropouts, Campy housing and wire routing fitments, Dia-compe calipers.
Added a silver 105 crank, Dura-Ace Italian BB and 40T WolfTooth 1X ring
Sram Apex 10s Shifters free from my mom's leftover upgrade
Shimano R500 wheels I got for free from a crashed Cannondale SuperSix, fitted with 31mm Vittoria Terreno Drys
11-32 105 cassette and Sram Rival 22 long cage RD round out the shifting.
Dead silent, fits like a glove, can't wait to finish off the accessories. This frame has no bottle cage bosses so I'm probably going to find a frame bag that fits the bill and run that.




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looks ready to rip some gravel! have fun! i like it
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