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Old 10-12-17, 09:12 PM
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Wheel balancing (again)

I looked at adding to previous thread, but too much vitriol.


Anyway, put a cheap Vittoria Rally tire on & it's pretty round but way out of balance.

I can feel it especially on smooth pavement.

I have, & have used adhesive lead strips left over from tennis days (to adjust racquet swing weight),

& pretty much used them up, but realized that I have a whole roll of sheet lead (roof & gutter flashing)

in the shop & you put electrical tape over the business anyway so what the heck.



If you can handle the flack from the BF nihilists, I'll send you some for postage.
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Wow! BF deal of the year. Get some really cheap and nasty tires and some free lead to add to your bike!
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Mmm...free lead!
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Originally Posted by woodcraft
... but too much vitriol.
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How's that working out for you?

I have balanced TT wheels and high speed road wheels. I normally add lead in a spoke hole, pre-gluing. Some rims come with hole for that.
I will most likely not balance MTB and cross tires.

For high speed it is worth the weight IMO.
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Originally Posted by Doge
How's that working out for you?

I have balanced TT wheels and high speed road wheels. I normally add lead in a spoke hole, pre-gluing. Some rims come with hole for that.
I will most likely not balance MTB and cross tires.

For high speed it is worth the weight IMO.



I've done it some in the past, & I think it will be more of a regular practice going forward.

Tubulars can be less uniform weight-wise, so a strip of lead folded over the inside of the rim & covered w/ tape

is easy to adjust later if the tire changes.

The added weight is not so bad since I've already drilled out my tire levers, & ground down the allen keys

that I carry, & the tubular wheels are light to begin with.
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Originally Posted by woodcraft
I've done it some in the past, & I think it will be more of a regular practice going forward.

Tubulars can be less uniform weight-wise, so a strip of lead folded over the inside of the rim & covered w/ tape

is easy to adjust later if the tire changes.

The added weight is not so bad since I've already drilled out my tire levers, & ground down the allen keys

that I carry, & the tubular wheels are light to begin with.
Nice.

I trimmed the handle of my tire lever, so it looks more like a spoon.
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Originally Posted by woodcraft
I've done it some in the past, & I think it will be more of a regular practice going forward.

Tubulars can be less uniform weight-wise, so a strip of lead folded over the inside of the rim & covered w/ tape

is easy to adjust later if the tire changes.

The added weight is not so bad since I've already drilled out my tire levers, & ground down the allen keys

that I carry, & the tubular wheels are light to begin with.
I expect the "vitriol" is coming from those that don't go that fast and don't use hand made tubulars.
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Originally Posted by Doge
I expect the "vitriol" is coming from those that don't go that fast and don't use hand made tubulars.
Probably. https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/vitto...lar/#pid=22725
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Originally Posted by woodcraft
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The added weight is not so bad since I've already drilled out my tire levers, & ground down the allen keys that I carry, & the tubular wheels are light to begin with.
Why carry tire levers when using tubulars?
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Why carry tire levers when using tubulars?



To get the tire off, or at least start the process,

& I lead some group rides, so carry a few extra supplies.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Yea, OK, I misread, not hand made tubulars which are generally both not round and off balance.
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Different wheels- 50mm CF w/ Sprinter tires,

& added some rubber cement to the lead strips as maybe the tape wouldn't be strong enough on bumps,

but hit 45mph & felt very smooth.
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How many grams of lead do you guys think you're adding? Or what are the dimensions?
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Originally Posted by ElJamoquio
How many grams of lead do you guys think you're adding? Or what are the dimensions?

9g +/-
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I don't measure, but that seems about right. I use a hot glue gun and glue inside the rim via a hole that looks like a spoke hole - but isn't. Sometimes tubular glue will pull it out.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv
Gatorskin tubies?
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I was able to balance this, this morning. That 11-36T weighs less than a Ti Dura-Ace straight block.

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I can feel when both valves are lined up at high speed. Normally when we stop, I would just spin the front wheel so they weren't in the same position. Then I did the balance thing... 1) no more worrying about valve stem placement. 2) freehub sounds different when coasting (if you do that sort of thing.) More solid hum. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by Doge
I was able to balance this, this morning. That 11-36T weighs less than a Ti Dura-Ace straight block.

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I would think that the glue and tire would cause the balanced rim to require another set of weights to balance it after mounting, as is the case with car tires.
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Originally Posted by f4rrest
I would think that the glue and tire would cause the balanced rim to require another set of weights to balance it after mounting, as is the case with car tires.
It would. I just have never had a rim wide enough, or cassette light enough - also the disc rotor flange on the side opposite the cassette, to support balancing this way. Also never tried, but I don't think my others will do that.

As to balancing this one with weights - I won't. It is for the mud cross setup and speeds will not be there to be concerned.
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