This is wrong......right?
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This would only make sense if the builder couldn't hold tolerance, and so needed the screw to correct for error.
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10-15-13, 02:19 PM
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nobody races the old stuff now anyhow..
BTW , it's another screw to remove grease and re install, occasionally ..
BTW , it's another screw to remove grease and re install, occasionally ..
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....I actually go to the trouble of drilling out the stuck ones, retapping the hole, and installing new 3M screws.
I didn't used to do so, but I enjoy the convenience of being able to set the wheel position precisely once and then
being able to pull and reinstall it without the fuss of any centering measurement.
IME, the screw heads are always interior to the dropout slot. If you cannot find new springs, you can simply
lock them in place with a small nut on the back of the exterior at the dropout.
Also, in a long dropout, they allow for some subtle wheelbase and balance experimentation, if you are into that stuff.
I didn't used to do so, but I enjoy the convenience of being able to set the wheel position precisely once and then
being able to pull and reinstall it without the fuss of any centering measurement.
IME, the screw heads are always interior to the dropout slot. If you cannot find new springs, you can simply
lock them in place with a small nut on the back of the exterior at the dropout.
Also, in a long dropout, they allow for some subtle wheelbase and balance experimentation, if you are into that stuff.
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01-06-17, 04:44 PM
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Reviving this old thread...
Does anyone know, in the name of all that is sacred to bicycling, what is the purpose of the spring?
It doesn't seem to me to do much, if anything, except take up space.
Does anyone know, in the name of all that is sacred to bicycling, what is the purpose of the spring?
It doesn't seem to me to do much, if anything, except take up space.
01-06-17, 04:57 PM
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The spring puts pressure on the screw to keep it from backing out. I still think the OPs are backwards because you can see the slot in the head of the screw for adjusting. So the head and spring should be outside the axle slot so the wheel can be centered and both screws tightened. Even the heavy old American bikes of the '50s had rear wheel adjusting screws.
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The spring puts pressure on the screw to keep it from backing out. I still think the OPs are backwards because you can see the slot in the head of the screw for adjusting. So the head and spring should be outside the axle slot so the wheel can be centered and both screws tightened. Even the heavy old American bikes of the '50s had rear wheel adjusting screws.
Yes, the spring serves to keep the screw from moving when nothing is bearing on it. It's an SOP anti-vibration technique that was used, for example on derailleur limit screws, and things like auto carburetor and choke adjustment screws.
The minus one, is that the screws do go head to the wheel to make a solid stop for the axle with the spring tucked within the dropout. They originally came with a small knurled cap nut to both protect the thread and allow adjustment (which should be done with no load).
You wouldn't thread the screw in from the back because repeatedly mounting the wheel against it plain end would risk mushrooming it, and leaving you with a screw that couldn't be removed. That would be poor planning.
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The original style are available if the OP wanted to replace the ones which are broken.
Dropout Adjustment Screws
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01-06-17, 05:54 PM
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Ok. Issue I'm having is I'd like to set the stop further out. The spring, fully compressed is getting in the way. If that's the purpose, I should be able just to cut the spring shorter, yes?
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If you still have the knurled nuts, you can transfer the spring to the back and it'll do the same job. That preserves it so you can move it back later if you wish.
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No and yes.
The spring functions the same on either side as far ad an anti-vibration device. However, when trapped in the slot by the screw head it can't go anyplace. Behind the dropout, only the removable knurled nut holds it home, so if that nut should work loose, the spring will push it off, then jump off like one of those fake snakes in a can.
I don't see a problem switching it to the back for your purpose, just tweak the nut home a but harder once the wheel is in place to keep the screw from moving. (or use locktite on the nut)
The spring functions the same on either side as far ad an anti-vibration device. However, when trapped in the slot by the screw head it can't go anyplace. Behind the dropout, only the removable knurled nut holds it home, so if that nut should work loose, the spring will push it off, then jump off like one of those fake snakes in a can.
I don't see a problem switching it to the back for your purpose, just tweak the nut home a but harder once the wheel is in place to keep the screw from moving. (or use locktite on the nut)
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The Campy style use the screw and spring on the inside against the axle with the knurled cap on the outside of the dropout to the rear (put a drop of Loctite 242). Italian bicycles were mostly handmade and rarely very straight, though they rode straight. But the dropout adjuster usually were a little one way or the other different from each other for a straight wheel.
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Well that maybe correct...but I will admit that I have never see a bike this way nor the way the OP shows it. In memory of thousands of bikes, they are the otherway... just a finger knob on the outside and just a little bump or something on the inside to retain the spring. Google Images search for "dropout axle adjustment screws" provides so many variations, it made my head hurt.
Good reason to evolve to vertical dropouts for derailleur bikes, in my humble opinion. I really dislike horizontal dropouts.
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Good reason to evolve to vertical dropouts for derailleur bikes, in my humble opinion. I really dislike horizontal dropouts.
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01-06-17, 11:15 PM
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The Campy style use the screw and spring on the inside against the axle with the knurled cap on the outside of the dropout to the rear (put a drop of Loctite 242). Italian bicycles were mostly handmade and rarely very straight, though they rode straight. But the dropout adjuster usually were a little one way or the other different from each other for a straight wheel.
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