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sugino crank clarification
can someone please explain the differences in the sugino crank sets. there are so many and other than the prices i dont really know the differences in the xd, rd, rd messenger, rd2 messenger(is this different than rd messenger?), 75s...
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I third this...I was looking at the xd for a good budget-minded crankset.
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XD=110BCD
RD=130BCD
75s=144BCD more expensive cause they're stronger and actually used in track racing.
RD Messenger is your basic RD cranks with a beefier chainring
RD2 Messenger is the same thing only it's sugino's new model name
As far as differences go, the XD was designed for Mt bikes, the RD for Road, the 75s are true fixed gear track cranks which is why they cost more. They're all good cranks and the only real difference is in how much you're willing to spend. I doubt anyone can tell the difference between all these sets or that one "Feels" better than another.
RD=130BCD
75s=144BCD more expensive cause they're stronger and actually used in track racing.
RD Messenger is your basic RD cranks with a beefier chainring
RD2 Messenger is the same thing only it's sugino's new model name
As far as differences go, the XD was designed for Mt bikes, the RD for Road, the 75s are true fixed gear track cranks which is why they cost more. They're all good cranks and the only real difference is in how much you're willing to spend. I doubt anyone can tell the difference between all these sets or that one "Feels" better than another.
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And your contribution to this thread is . . . .???
Yes 75s are Keirin approved racing cranks and therefore are much stronger and reliable but I have yet to see someone break or ruin a set of cranks under normal operation because they generated so much torque that the require something of that quality. Anyone who isn't racing on a velodrome and buys 75s or better is doing it for the simple fact of adding unnecessary bling to their bike. . . .which is where my comment applies. Buy what you can afford and are willing to spend.
Yes 75s are Keirin approved racing cranks and therefore are much stronger and reliable but I have yet to see someone break or ruin a set of cranks under normal operation because they generated so much torque that the require something of that quality. Anyone who isn't racing on a velodrome and buys 75s or better is doing it for the simple fact of adding unnecessary bling to their bike. . . .which is where my comment applies. Buy what you can afford and are willing to spend.
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And your contribution to this thread is . . . .???
Yes 75s are Keirin approved racing cranks and therefore are much stronger and reliable but I have yet to see someone break or ruin a set of cranks under normal operation because they generated so much torque that the require something of that quality. Anyone who isn't racing on a velodrome and buys 75s or better is doing it for the simple fact of adding unnecessary bling to their bike. . . .which is where my comment applies. Buy what you can afford and are willing to spend.
Yes 75s are Keirin approved racing cranks and therefore are much stronger and reliable but I have yet to see someone break or ruin a set of cranks under normal operation because they generated so much torque that the require something of that quality. Anyone who isn't racing on a velodrome and buys 75s or better is doing it for the simple fact of adding unnecessary bling to their bike. . . .which is where my comment applies. Buy what you can afford and are willing to spend.
I'm not saying that these are necessarily going to be differences everyone can feel, or need, or want, but to say the only difference between XDs, RDs and 75s is the price is simply ignorant.
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Trying to simplify something is not ignorant. If all you know about these cranks is so important why not post what you just did now, instead of commenting with an insult. He's looking for opinions and that's what I gave him whether you wanted to go further from what I said its up to you but it really boils down to how much he's willing to spend and if he wants to spend the price of 75s when RDs do just as well.
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I agree, most people won't notice much of a difference, but that doesn't mean the differences in quality aren't there to begin with.
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I thought the Sugino XD was a road double crank with the smaller ring removed by Ben's not a MTB crank?
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XD is a road triple converted to single ring, RD is the road double with a single ring. Hence the 110 bcd on the XD to accomodate 3 rings, the 130 bcd on the double to accomodate 2, and 144bcd on the 75 and other track cranks because they only need to accomodate a single, large chainring.
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XD Details:
Cold Forged crank arms
578 grams
110 bolt circle
Will accept a second chainring for use as a compact road double
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket
RD Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" standard chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103 mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm Chainline
RD Messenger (RD2) Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" Messenger chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm chainline
RD/RD2/Messenger w/o Chainring (same cranks):
75 Details:
NJS
144bcd
Includes chainring bolts
Cold-Forged Aluminum Alloy for strength
Use with a 109-110mm bottombracket. Made in Japan.
75 Grand Mighty Details:
Ultra stiff Sugino Super Duralumin Alloy. NJS.
Spindle Interface Type: Square Taper JIS
Spindle Length: 109 mm
144 mm BCD
Crank/FD Type: Single Ring
Chain Compatibility: 1/2" x 1/8"
Pedal Spindle Thread: 9/16"
Made in Japan
Cold Forged crank arms
578 grams
110 bolt circle
Will accept a second chainring for use as a compact road double
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket
RD Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" standard chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103 mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm Chainline
RD Messenger (RD2) Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" Messenger chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm chainline
RD/RD2/Messenger w/o Chainring (same cranks):
75 Details:
NJS
144bcd
Includes chainring bolts
Cold-Forged Aluminum Alloy for strength
Use with a 109-110mm bottombracket. Made in Japan.
75 Grand Mighty Details:
Ultra stiff Sugino Super Duralumin Alloy. NJS.
Spindle Interface Type: Square Taper JIS
Spindle Length: 109 mm
144 mm BCD
Crank/FD Type: Single Ring
Chain Compatibility: 1/2" x 1/8"
Pedal Spindle Thread: 9/16"
Made in Japan
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XD Details:
Cold Forged crank arms
578 grams
110 bolt circle
Will accept a second chainring for use as a compact road double
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket
RD Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" standard chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103 mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm Chainline
RD Messenger (RD2) Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" Messenger chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm chainline
RD/RD2/Messenger w/o Chainring (same cranks):
75 Details:
NJS
144bcd
Includes chainring bolts
Cold-Forged Aluminum Alloy for strength
Use with a 109-110mm bottombracket. Made in Japan.
75 Grand Mighty Details:
Ultra stiff Sugino Super Duralumin Alloy. NJS.
Spindle Interface Type: Square Taper JIS
Spindle Length: 109 mm
144 mm BCD
Crank/FD Type: Single Ring
Chain Compatibility: 1/2" x 1/8"
Pedal Spindle Thread: 9/16"
Made in Japan
Cold Forged crank arms
578 grams
110 bolt circle
Will accept a second chainring for use as a compact road double
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket
RD Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" standard chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103 mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm Chainline
RD Messenger (RD2) Details:
Forged - 6061 aluminum arms
Comes with 1/8" Messenger chainring. Also available w/o chainring.
130mm BCD
Use with a 103mm square taper bottombracket for a 45mm chainline
RD/RD2/Messenger w/o Chainring (same cranks):
75 Details:
NJS
144bcd
Includes chainring bolts
Cold-Forged Aluminum Alloy for strength
Use with a 109-110mm bottombracket. Made in Japan.
75 Grand Mighty Details:
Ultra stiff Sugino Super Duralumin Alloy. NJS.
Spindle Interface Type: Square Taper JIS
Spindle Length: 109 mm
144 mm BCD
Crank/FD Type: Single Ring
Chain Compatibility: 1/2" x 1/8"
Pedal Spindle Thread: 9/16"
Made in Japan
This is exactly what I was looking for...thanks for the great summary.
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XD=110BCD
RD=130BCD
75s=144BCD more expensive cause they're stronger and actually used in track racing.
RD Messenger is your basic RD cranks with a beefier chainring
RD2 Messenger is the same thing only it's sugino's new model name
As far as differences go, the XD was designed for Mt bikes, the RD for Road, the 75s are true fixed gear track cranks which is why they cost more. They're all good cranks and the only real difference is in how much you're willing to spend. I doubt anyone can tell the difference between all these sets or that one "Feels" better than another.
RD=130BCD
75s=144BCD more expensive cause they're stronger and actually used in track racing.
RD Messenger is your basic RD cranks with a beefier chainring
RD2 Messenger is the same thing only it's sugino's new model name
As far as differences go, the XD was designed for Mt bikes, the RD for Road, the 75s are true fixed gear track cranks which is why they cost more. They're all good cranks and the only real difference is in how much you're willing to spend. I doubt anyone can tell the difference between all these sets or that one "Feels" better than another.
If you can honestly tell me that when you ride XD cranks and then 75s that you feel no difference at all you have no reason being on a bike.
XD cranks flex a ridiculous amount compared to 75s. That is why their is such a price difference, its not just for bling factor jackass.
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You are a strong son of a b***h if you can flex any aluminum crank arm in normal use.
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This is probably some of the worst advice I have ever seen on this forum.
If you can honestly tell me that when you ride XD cranks and then 75s that you feel no difference at all you have no reason being on a bike.
XD cranks flex a ridiculous amount compared to 75s. That is why their is such a price difference, its not just for bling factor jackass.
If you can honestly tell me that when you ride XD cranks and then 75s that you feel no difference at all you have no reason being on a bike.
XD cranks flex a ridiculous amount compared to 75s. That is why their is such a price difference, its not just for bling factor jackass.
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HAHA, really how many bikes with XDs have you ridden? And how many with 75s? Flex will come from your frame's BB before your cranks. The difference of course is manufacturing quality but for street use there is no need for anyone to use 75s or better unless they just have the money to spend/waste.
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XDs and RDs are road bike cranks so how could they not be used to put some "Serious Miles" as roadies do more so than the rest who ride fixed. It has absolutely nothing to do with efficiency, it would take a very sensitive testing computer to even tell you the differences between those cranks and how efficient they are so I doubt any rider could tell the difference. Slapping a high priced crank because its NJS approved will not make you a faster rider because of your perceived improved efficiency.
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XDs and RDs are road bike cranks so how could they not be used to put some "Serious Miles" as roadies do more so than the rest who ride fixed. It has absolutely nothing to do with efficiency, it would take a very sensitive testing computer to even tell you the differences between those cranks and how efficient they are so I doubt any rider could tell the difference. Slapping a high priced crank because its NJS approved will not make you a faster rider because of your perceived improved efficiency.
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This is probably some of the worst advice I have ever seen on this forum.
If you can honestly tell me that when you ride XD cranks and then 75s that you feel no difference at all you have no reason being on a bike.
XD cranks flex a ridiculous amount compared to 75s. That is why their is such a price difference, its not just for bling factor jackass.
If you can honestly tell me that when you ride XD cranks and then 75s that you feel no difference at all you have no reason being on a bike.
XD cranks flex a ridiculous amount compared to 75s. That is why their is such a price difference, its not just for bling factor jackass.