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I just ran into this thread, but its a two way street though isn't it. Its true forums can be harsh, but on the flip side people need to have a thicker skin about what they like. If you like a style of bike (or anything) that others find dorky, who cares own it!
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The best part of it, the various personalities and strong sense of sarcasm and humor.
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Right, what a boring hobby it would be if it were monolithic in style. The cool kids need us guys with the wack stuff, if everybody had the same cool stuff then it wouldn't be cool anymore. Symbiosis..
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I don't think I've seen many instances of long term members being rude here when it wasn't called for. No one/group is perfect, but this is a pretty genteel place.
If you're getting attacked here, odds are pretty good that you provoked it.
If you're getting attacked here, odds are pretty good that you provoked it.
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I don't mind a little snark or jibe as long as the intent is not mean or demeaning to the OP or person who commented. I don't like emojis, but sometimes they help to define the reply to those of us that may be a bit sensitive.
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I will not be dragged kicking and screaming into correctness based on someone's feelings, nor is there a moral superiority in either. But I do prefer friendly to hostile.
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UK Fan,
From an IU fan you can sympathize with the cross border jabs, but the behavior of being hateful is what will drive me over the edge. As a former IU coach I have had plenty of jabs thrown up at me. Luckily I was a Golf coach and had a great relationship with the UK golf coaching staff. But the basket ball stuff is what "kicks in" most of the time. Rivalries etc. But when it comes to bikes, they are personal items, and they are inanimate objects, and don't have personalities. What they look like and how they fit into other's view, shouldn't be our issue. Here is one example from me: I have a 1986 Schwinn Peloton, and I am quite happy with it. I got as a restoration from an accident that broke the rear dropout. After re-brazing the drop out and repainting I never decalled it. It was damaged in a house fire and now has been repainted yet again. It's new decal set is one of my choice. My choice of a different down tube set and special decals that are not "Schwinn correct" but the bike will be labeled correctly. I am sure someone will call a foul on me for my choices. But! It is my bike and my choice to decal it as I see fit. Getting older I am getting a bit thicker skin, but some times there are few folks who find a way to get under it. Go UK! Smiles, MH
From an IU fan you can sympathize with the cross border jabs, but the behavior of being hateful is what will drive me over the edge. As a former IU coach I have had plenty of jabs thrown up at me. Luckily I was a Golf coach and had a great relationship with the UK golf coaching staff. But the basket ball stuff is what "kicks in" most of the time. Rivalries etc. But when it comes to bikes, they are personal items, and they are inanimate objects, and don't have personalities. What they look like and how they fit into other's view, shouldn't be our issue. Here is one example from me: I have a 1986 Schwinn Peloton, and I am quite happy with it. I got as a restoration from an accident that broke the rear dropout. After re-brazing the drop out and repainting I never decalled it. It was damaged in a house fire and now has been repainted yet again. It's new decal set is one of my choice. My choice of a different down tube set and special decals that are not "Schwinn correct" but the bike will be labeled correctly. I am sure someone will call a foul on me for my choices. But! It is my bike and my choice to decal it as I see fit. Getting older I am getting a bit thicker skin, but some times there are few folks who find a way to get under it. Go UK! Smiles, MH
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UK Fan,
From an IU fan you can sympathize with the cross border jabs, but the behavior of being hateful is what will drive me over the edge. As a former IU coach I have had plenty of jabs thrown up at me. Luckily I was a Golf coach and had a great relationship with the UK golf coaching staff. But the basket ball stuff is what "kicks in" most of the time. Rivalries etc. But when it comes to bikes, they are personal items, and they are inanimate objects, and don't have personalities. What they look like and how they fit into other's view, shouldn't be our issue. Here is one example from me: I have a 1986 Schwinn Peloton, and I am quite happy with it. I got as a restoration from an accident that broke the rear dropout. After re-brazing the drop out and repainting I never decalled it. It was damaged in a house fire and now has been repainted yet again. It's new decal set is one of my choice. My choice of a different down tube set and special decals that are not "Schwinn correct" but the bike will be labeled correctly. I am sure someone will call a foul on me for my choices. But! It is my bike and my choice to decal it as I see fit. Getting older I am getting a bit thicker skin, but some times there are few folks who find a way to get under it. Go UK! Smiles, MH
From an IU fan you can sympathize with the cross border jabs, but the behavior of being hateful is what will drive me over the edge. As a former IU coach I have had plenty of jabs thrown up at me. Luckily I was a Golf coach and had a great relationship with the UK golf coaching staff. But the basket ball stuff is what "kicks in" most of the time. Rivalries etc. But when it comes to bikes, they are personal items, and they are inanimate objects, and don't have personalities. What they look like and how they fit into other's view, shouldn't be our issue. Here is one example from me: I have a 1986 Schwinn Peloton, and I am quite happy with it. I got as a restoration from an accident that broke the rear dropout. After re-brazing the drop out and repainting I never decalled it. It was damaged in a house fire and now has been repainted yet again. It's new decal set is one of my choice. My choice of a different down tube set and special decals that are not "Schwinn correct" but the bike will be labeled correctly. I am sure someone will call a foul on me for my choices. But! It is my bike and my choice to decal it as I see fit. Getting older I am getting a bit thicker skin, but some times there are few folks who find a way to get under it. Go UK! Smiles, MH
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Well wimpy dude, how about paying you tomorrow for a hamburger today? The folks out there who will get your knickers twisted aren't worth dealing with, in the larger scheme of things. Some times it is better to just have a beer and forget about the dust-up. But it is not always possible to do so. So when that happens you have to remember that You are in control of Your life and no one else is. Your destiny, Your wife, and Your life. It is all Yours and no one else can get into it and change it for you. JMHO, Mad Honk
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Hi the OP here.
I was shocked to go online today to see that this thread was revived. Thanks all for your imput!
I was shocked to go online today to see that this thread was revived. Thanks all for your imput!
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Why do I have to be nice to folks who build a fake bike??
I agree 100% there should no hazing or profanity.
But fake bikes (tribute bikes, honorary bikes, in memoriam bikes, movie bikes, etc) are forgeries.
Fake bikes detract from our collective integrity, especially taking a cheapo and painting/decaling as a classic.
You want a bike in Molteni Orange - fine - but don't put Merckx stickers on your beautiful orange GMC Denali.
The - "It will never be sold (by me)!" is hollow BS - woeful excuse.
If this were a Rolex Forum and I proudly displayed my $8.00 Hong Kong copy - should I expect Praise and Kindness?
If this were a Camera Forum and I stuck Nikon stickers on a Barbie camera should I be held up as an icon of dream fulfillment?
"But I always dreamed of owning one" = more BS.
I want to go to Mars, but if I built a rocketship on my front lawn, even a very authentic looking Titan V, should my neighbors applaud my creation?
Honesty delivered with a tempered attitude is the best policy..
Fake bikes are not honest!
Civility is admirable.
But we have more to give than praise.
and i do not intend to restrain my opinion on the next forgery thread.
I agree 100% there should no hazing or profanity.
But fake bikes (tribute bikes, honorary bikes, in memoriam bikes, movie bikes, etc) are forgeries.
Fake bikes detract from our collective integrity, especially taking a cheapo and painting/decaling as a classic.
You want a bike in Molteni Orange - fine - but don't put Merckx stickers on your beautiful orange GMC Denali.
The - "It will never be sold (by me)!" is hollow BS - woeful excuse.
If this were a Rolex Forum and I proudly displayed my $8.00 Hong Kong copy - should I expect Praise and Kindness?
If this were a Camera Forum and I stuck Nikon stickers on a Barbie camera should I be held up as an icon of dream fulfillment?
"But I always dreamed of owning one" = more BS.
I want to go to Mars, but if I built a rocketship on my front lawn, even a very authentic looking Titan V, should my neighbors applaud my creation?
Honesty delivered with a tempered attitude is the best policy..
Fake bikes are not honest!
Civility is admirable.
But we have more to give than praise.
and i do not intend to restrain my opinion on the next forgery thread.
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Why do I have to be nice to folks who build a fake bike??
I agree 100% there should no hazing or profanity.
But fake bikes (tribute bikes, honorary bikes, in memoriam bikes, movie bikes, etc) are forgeries.
Fake bikes detract from our collective integrity, especially taking a cheapo and painting/decaling as a classic.
You want a bike in Molteni Orange - fine - but don't put Merckx stickers on your beautiful orange GMC Denali.
The - "It will never be sold (by me)!" is hollow BS - woeful excuse.
If this were a Rolex Forum and I proudly displayed my $8.00 Hong Kong copy - should I expect Praise and Kindness?
If this were a Camera Forum and I stuck Nikon stickers on a Barbie camera should I be held up as an icon of dream fulfillment?
"But I always dreamed of owning one" = more BS.
I want to go to Mars, but if I built a rocketship on my front lawn, even a very authentic looking Titan V, should my neighbors applaud my creation?
Honesty delivered with a tempered attitude is the best policy..
Fake bikes are not honest!
Civility is admirable.
But we have more to give than praise.
and i do not intend to restrain my opinion on the next forgery thread.
I agree 100% there should no hazing or profanity.
But fake bikes (tribute bikes, honorary bikes, in memoriam bikes, movie bikes, etc) are forgeries.
Fake bikes detract from our collective integrity, especially taking a cheapo and painting/decaling as a classic.
You want a bike in Molteni Orange - fine - but don't put Merckx stickers on your beautiful orange GMC Denali.
The - "It will never be sold (by me)!" is hollow BS - woeful excuse.
If this were a Rolex Forum and I proudly displayed my $8.00 Hong Kong copy - should I expect Praise and Kindness?
If this were a Camera Forum and I stuck Nikon stickers on a Barbie camera should I be held up as an icon of dream fulfillment?
"But I always dreamed of owning one" = more BS.
I want to go to Mars, but if I built a rocketship on my front lawn, even a very authentic looking Titan V, should my neighbors applaud my creation?
Honesty delivered with a tempered attitude is the best policy..
Fake bikes are not honest!
Civility is admirable.
But we have more to give than praise.
and i do not intend to restrain my opinion on the next forgery thread.
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Why do I have to be nice to folks who build a fake bike??
I agree 100% there should no hazing or profanity.
But fake bikes (tribute bikes, honorary bikes, in memoriam bikes, movie bikes, etc) are forgeries.
Fake bikes detract from our collective integrity, especially taking a cheapo and painting/decaling as a classic.
You want a bike in Molteni Orange - fine - but don't put Merckx stickers on your beautiful orange GMC Denali.
and i do not intend to restrain my opinion on the next forgery thread.
I agree 100% there should no hazing or profanity.
But fake bikes (tribute bikes, honorary bikes, in memoriam bikes, movie bikes, etc) are forgeries.
Fake bikes detract from our collective integrity, especially taking a cheapo and painting/decaling as a classic.
You want a bike in Molteni Orange - fine - but don't put Merckx stickers on your beautiful orange GMC Denali.
and i do not intend to restrain my opinion on the next forgery thread.
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The quality of the work is usually commendable. The deception well intentioned. But the finished product a fraud, hidden to most who see it.
If someone is offended their misdirected talent and hard efforts are not universally admired and appreciated, well...... so be it.
edit: and if i'm alone in this opinion, i'm OK with that too.
But that's JMHO.
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“Collectomania” may with some reason be looked upon as a comedy in which the leading parts are taken by the Collector, the Dealer, and the Faker, supported by minor but not less interesting characters, such as imitators, restorers, middlemen, et hoc genus omne, each of whom could tell more than one attractive tale.
In analysing the Faker one must dissociate him from the common forger; his semi-artistic vocation places him quite apart from the ordinary counterfeiter; he must be studied amid his proper surroundings, and with the correct local colouring, so to speak, and his critic may perchance find some slight modicum of excuse for him. Beside him stand the Imitator, from whom the faker often originates, the tempter who turns the clever imitator into a faker, and the middleman who lures on the unwary collector with plausible tales.
It is not the object of this volume to study the Faker by himself, but to trace his career through the ages in his appropriate surroundings, and compare the methods adopted by him at various periods of history, so far as they may be obtained.
Ethically, there is a strict line drawn between the imitator and the forger, but in practice this line is by no means rigid. Many imitators place their goods before the public as imitations; others tacitly permit their work to be sold as genuinely antique, influenced no doubt by the fact that though possibly12 the imitation and the original may possess equal merit, the one is handicapped by modernity, the other is hallowed by age. The inexperienced and unwary collector is in most cases the innocent originator of fraud; if there were no buyer there would be no seller. Too often fashion leads folly, and so fictitious values are created, and as demand increases so, too, do the sources of supply, but unhappily they are frequently not legitimate.
RICCARDO NOBILI.
Ville Marie,
Via Dante da Castiglione 3,
Florence.
The gentle art of fakeing
In analysing the Faker one must dissociate him from the common forger; his semi-artistic vocation places him quite apart from the ordinary counterfeiter; he must be studied amid his proper surroundings, and with the correct local colouring, so to speak, and his critic may perchance find some slight modicum of excuse for him. Beside him stand the Imitator, from whom the faker often originates, the tempter who turns the clever imitator into a faker, and the middleman who lures on the unwary collector with plausible tales.
It is not the object of this volume to study the Faker by himself, but to trace his career through the ages in his appropriate surroundings, and compare the methods adopted by him at various periods of history, so far as they may be obtained.
Ethically, there is a strict line drawn between the imitator and the forger, but in practice this line is by no means rigid. Many imitators place their goods before the public as imitations; others tacitly permit their work to be sold as genuinely antique, influenced no doubt by the fact that though possibly12 the imitation and the original may possess equal merit, the one is handicapped by modernity, the other is hallowed by age. The inexperienced and unwary collector is in most cases the innocent originator of fraud; if there were no buyer there would be no seller. Too often fashion leads folly, and so fictitious values are created, and as demand increases so, too, do the sources of supply, but unhappily they are frequently not legitimate.
RICCARDO NOBILI.
Ville Marie,
Via Dante da Castiglione 3,
Florence.
The gentle art of fakeing
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