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Old 10-10-18, 10:18 AM
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Stripped RD hanger bolt - screw extractor?

Second time that this is happening. Last time I cut a groove with a dremel. Was thinking of using a screw extractor. Any idea what size I would need? I think the bolts that came on this bike are crap. I did not over tighten, and yet managed to strip both.

Any links say from Amazon for a decent one?
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Search for "screw extractor for (your screw size) screw" and you'll find one. Alternatively you can get a whole set for 10-15 bucks.
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Search for "screw extractor for (your screw size) screw" and you'll find one. Alternatively you can get a whole set for 10-15 bucks.
The ones I see are with the smallest for 3mm screws. Dont have my bike with me now, and needed to order this now. Do you think that the 3mm extractor would do? Those bolts are pretty tiny. Bottle cage ones are 5mm, and thee are much smaller in diameter.
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If the hole in the frame/hanger is a thru hole then if the bolt is soft enough you might be able to use a smaller bit and have it cut into the bolt and take hold. When that happens the drill will simply thread the bolt all the way through the frame. It will be hard to find an extractor small enough. If there is enough to cut a slot into for a screw driver then that may be your best bet this time as well. For replacement - get high quality fasteners. Stainless. Ti tend to be too hard and near impossible to remove later by drill if need be.
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I don't know what size screws you have but hard to imagine it's smaller than an M3m which is roughly 0.12" diameter.
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Your groove with a dremmel is the best idea. Too small for screw extractors.
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Derailleur hangers are almost universally 10mm x 1mm. Are you perhaps referring to the adjust bolt on a horizontal dropout (3mm x 0.5mm)?
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
Derailleur hangers are almost universally 10mm x 1mm. Are you perhaps referring to the adjust bolt on a horizontal dropout (3mm x 0.5mm)?
The small screws that hold on a replaceable derailleur hanger. Yes, he didn't word the thread title very well.
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I sense a trend. is this the 3rd of these to pop up on the forums in the past few months? the last guy, knew a guy at a machine shop that drilled it out & re-tapped the hole, I think. I forget what the 1st guy did. personally, I'm a fan of left hand drill bits & straight fluted extractors w a proper tap wrench. but I've never worked on anything that small in diameter ...










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Originally Posted by deepakvrao
Second time that this is happening. Last time I cut a groove with a dremel. Was thinking of using a screw extractor. Any idea what size I would need? I think the bolts that came on this bike are crap. I did not over tighten, and yet managed to strip both.

Any links say from Amazon for a decent one?
Last time this happened to me, I just took the bike to my LBS and let them worry about it instead.

The idea of drilling or dremeling near a carbon fiber dropout was giving me the chills.
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Thanks guys.

Lots of tips. On a cycling trip right now. Have ordered an extractor. Will still give it a shot with the dremel first, and then use good quality bolts.

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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
If the hole in the frame/hanger is a thru hole then if the bolt is soft enough you might be able to use a smaller bit and have it cut into the bolt and take hold. When that happens the drill will simply thread the bolt all the way through the frame. It will be hard to find an extractor small enough. If there is enough to cut a slot into for a screw driver then that may be your best bet this time as well. For replacement - get high quality fasteners. Stainless. Ti tend to be too hard and near impossible to remove later by drill if need be.

Thanks. Titanium frame. They should have provided better bolts. Any idea where I can get these in good quality stainless steel?
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Originally Posted by maartendc
Last time this happened to me, I just took the bike to my LBS and let them worry about it instead.

The idea of drilling or dremeling near a carbon fiber dropout was giving me the chills.
Titanium, and I like to do my own work, as far as possible.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
I sense a trend. is this the 3rd of these to pop up on the forums in the past few months? the last guy, knew a guy at a machine shop that drilled it out & re-tapped the hole, I think. I forget what the 1st guy did. personally, I'm a fan of left hand drill bits & straight fluted extractors w a proper tap wrench. but I've never worked on anything that small
Thanks so much. If the dremel does not work, I'll give this a shot. It's a hooded dropout, and this bolt is very close to the hood.
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Originally Posted by deepakvrao
Thanks. Titanium frame. They should have provided better bolts. Any idea where I can get these in good quality stainless steel?
What are the specs for the screw: thread diameter, pitch, length, head style, drive type? I may have something you can use or can definitely tell you where to get it.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
What are the specs for the screw? I may have something you can use or can definitely tell you where to get it.

M3 I think.
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Originally Posted by deepakvrao
M3 I think.
Any more details to share about it? I edited my post to ask for most of the relevant information I need to help.
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Originally Posted by joejack951
Any more details to share about it? I edited my post to ask for most of the relevant information I need to help.
M3 is all you need. You are going to have to cut the hangar screw to the exact length you need. One local source would be an RC aircraft store. They have small bags of high quality hardware that would be perfect. Don't go high strength, since this is a sacrificial bolt to protect the RD. You want this to shear rather than something else. Great pics up the thread!
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Originally Posted by sirkaos
M3 is all you need.
No.

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You are going to have to cut the hangar screw to the exact length you need.
No.

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Don't go high strength, since this is a sacrificial bolt to protect the RD. You want this to shear rather than something else.
No.

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Great pics up the thread!
Agreed, but irrelevant for an M3 screw.
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So, got a set of Stanley's screw extractors. Reverse drill at low speed and the bolt was out in 2 seconds.



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wow, cool! every situation is different, glad this end well & w/o too much work
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Originally Posted by 02Giant
Check mcmastercarr.com

WOW. That site is so full of 'stuff'. Need to see how to get exact specs of the bolt that I need, and will likely order from here.
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Originally Posted by deepakvrao
WOW. That site is so full of 'stuff'. Need to see how to get exact specs of the bolt that I need, and will likely order from here.
Is that your first time at McMaster?! Impressive isn't it? I was shown a catalog from them for the first time about 20 years ago. I think it took 3 years just to get my jaw off the floor.
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Originally Posted by joejack951


No.



No.



No.



Agreed, but irrelevant for an M3 screw.
My niece, who is 2 years old is going through the same stage. Don't worry, it will pass.... : )
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