What's the hot setup for 2019 dynamo lighting?
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I have one of those little solar chargers. I don't think it ever fully tops off the battery even if left in pretty direct sunlight for days or weeks.
It does work as an auxiliary battery, with the one issue that it won't function as a "float" battery, and will konk out if the attached device reports fully charged.
It does work as an auxiliary battery, with the one issue that it won't function as a "float" battery, and will konk out if the attached device reports fully charged.
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From what I have seen, the capacity of those ebay cells isn't very good. The calculus changes if they were using high quality cells, but that corresponds to a fairly substantial boost in price. I think the dyno will reign supreme for primary rando lighting for the time being. I'm not sure if my current collection of packs will make it through PBP without charging. I'll have to do some experiments.
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I have one of those little solar chargers. I don't think it ever fully tops off the battery even if left in pretty direct sunlight for days or weeks.
It does work as an auxiliary battery, with the one issue that it won't function as a "float" battery, and will konk out if the attached device reports fully charged.
It does work as an auxiliary battery, with the one issue that it won't function as a "float" battery, and will konk out if the attached device reports fully charged.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-IN-1-Andr...YRjb:rk:2:pf:0
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I'm setting another bike up with dynamo lighting this winter. Schmidt hub, Edelux II headlight, B&M tail-light. I have the Edelux II on one of my other bikes with an SP hub. It's a good light.
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Kingston - That's the way I'm going as well. As mentioned I settled on the Edelux II, Son 28 (existing) BM top light with brake light feature ( does that do any good I wonder? ). I also am trying the USB-Werks for USB charging. Will probably upgrade my GPS to Wahoo Element.
I'm also wondering if an additional backup battery would be useful? I'm thinking of the cinq smart power II. ( something I googled ) It should charge quickly and will charge and discharge at the same time. I'm a bit fuzzy if I will actually need additional battery capacity though. Any thoughts anyone? Looking at rando, hopefully 600km, with a little luck maybe 1200. Thanks - t
I'm also wondering if an additional backup battery would be useful? I'm thinking of the cinq smart power II. ( something I googled ) It should charge quickly and will charge and discharge at the same time. I'm a bit fuzzy if I will actually need additional battery capacity though. Any thoughts anyone? Looking at rando, hopefully 600km, with a little luck maybe 1200. Thanks - t
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I have a cygolyte Expillion headlight and a couple of battery tail lights. I usually carry a spare battery taillight as well. Tail lights are really light. Eastern PA randonneurs has required a backup headlight/tail light in the past, and it seems like a good idea.
I bought the brake light version of the toplight by mistake. I really didn't want it because it seems needlessly complicated. I haven't installed it yet.
I bought the brake light version of the toplight by mistake. I really didn't want it because it seems needlessly complicated. I haven't installed it yet.
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Kingston - That's the way I'm going as well. As mentioned I settled on the Edelux II, Son 28 (existing) BM top light with brake light feature ( does that do any good I wonder? ). I also am trying the USB-Werks for USB charging. Will probably upgrade my GPS to Wahoo Element.
I'm also wondering if an additional backup battery would be useful? I'm thinking of the cinq smart power II. ( something I googled ) It should charge quickly and will charge and discharge at the same time. I'm a bit fuzzy if I will actually need additional battery capacity though. Any thoughts anyone? Looking at rando, hopefully 600km, with a little luck maybe 1200. Thanks - t
I'm also wondering if an additional backup battery would be useful? I'm thinking of the cinq smart power II. ( something I googled ) It should charge quickly and will charge and discharge at the same time. I'm a bit fuzzy if I will actually need additional battery capacity though. Any thoughts anyone? Looking at rando, hopefully 600km, with a little luck maybe 1200. Thanks - t
I had a B&M Toplight Line Brake Plus on my commuter bike just stop working one day... checked the wires with a multimeter and another light so I know it was just something in the light that failed but I have no idea what. I will always carry full backup lights on anything 400+ now. The cascade 1200 required full backup lights so I could see that becoming a thing on more rides. I use a battery secula as my backup and a b&m Eyro front light since it'll last through the night on low setting... it's not as bright as I'd like but it's nice because I can easily swap it with the dynamo headlight should the need every arise.
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usually when B&M taillights stop working, it's the supercap coming off the board. Not sure why they don't glue them down a little better. Unfortunately, it's not easy to take the toplines apart, from what I hear.
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I'm trying out this tail light now:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-Cyclin...1bdc:rk:4:pf:0
It gets its power from a magnet passing by on the spoke, like a bike computer. After a couple revolutions the LEDs start flashing, quite bright, and they stay on for a couple minutes. The electronics and the LED seem pretty good. Unfortunately the mounting hardware is crappy.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bike-Cyclin...1bdc:rk:4:pf:0
It gets its power from a magnet passing by on the spoke, like a bike computer. After a couple revolutions the LEDs start flashing, quite bright, and they stay on for a couple minutes. The electronics and the LED seem pretty good. Unfortunately the mounting hardware is crappy.
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OK- maybe someone can explain this to me- If for such a short distance, why bother with the weight, drag and reliability issues of a dynamo since there are batteries that can do the time for that sort of distance and weigh less? I do electronics for my day job; am I seeing something that others aren't or is it the other way around?
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OK- maybe someone can explain this to me- If for such a short distance, why bother with the weight, drag and reliability issues of a dynamo since there are batteries that can do the time for that sort of distance and weigh less? I do electronics for my day job; am I seeing something that others aren't or is it the other way around?
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I don't think you have to limit the brightness with how much batteries have improved these days (and FWIW, the Chinese have been leading the pack for at least a decade when it comes to lithium ion batteries, and each year they get better following Moore's Law) . I run my light full on and no worries with the battery. It is the size of a cell phone though (I have it mounted on my handlebars so its easy to hook up to whatever needs it at the time) and could run my light for well over a week without a recharge. That's plenty of time to go 1200km!
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Aside from that, a lot of the battery lights I've seen have poorly optimized light patterns. When I ride with other people, with battery lights, late at night I often get this sensation of riding through an endless Gothic cathedral with intricate barrel vaults overhead, an illusion created by our lights unnecessarily illuminating the arches of branches above. With dynamo lights I never get that-- there's no light on the trees at all. Plenty on the road, which is where I need it.
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what battery light lasts a week? How much does it weigh? How long does it take to charge?
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I posted an example earlier on this thread. On a regular USB charger it charges at about the same as a cell phone to recharge from dead. The weight is about 1/2 that of my iphone 6 (and its about the same size) in an otter case. Recharging on solar only, it takes several days to charge up from dead, but by that time one can have made it back to civilization (such as it is; might just be a gas station) where its possible to use the USB charger. So I carry a USB charger that has dual outputs so I can top off the battery and whatever other device seems to need it the most. On my last trip I was on the road two weeks and only got to charge it twice, once in Elkford BC and the other time in Lincoln Montana. It never even got down to 75% of full charge but I was charging my GPS daily, my headlight about once every three days and my GoPro twice. I was on a mountain bike that weighed over 50 pounds with all the water I was carrying so my progress was not as fast as a typical rando where there's a lot of pavement involved. In retrospect I didn't need to charge the battery at all- at the end of my ride it would have been around 50%. I simply charged it because its prudent to do things like that when you're headed into the middle of nowhere. Given all the reliability issues I've read about dyno hubs from other racers on the TDR (which is one of the harder races in the world) it simply makes no sense to me to use one.
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BM top light with brake light feature ( does that do any good I wonder? ).
read of that added feature being less reliable, than the same light without it.
a capacitor charges promptly, that is your stand light.. when you stop, keeps it on, without glowing brighter..
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I agree with you. Batteries are a perfectly fine way to go for randonneuring. While you don’t really need a dynamo, it’s nice to have because you can run your headlight all night long and never run out of power. The weight and drag of the hub are negligible. With batteries, I either needed to keep my headlight on low power most of the night or bring an extra set of batteries. Neither one of which was that big of a deal.
My Ixon IQ premium was a ride saver on a 600km where I tacoed a front, dynamo wheel. With a borrowed front wheel I was able to ride deep into the second night using my Ixon IQ, and get credit for the ride.
Say, my Ixon IQ premium handlebar mount isn't real secure. The light keeps rotating when I hit bumps, etc. Have you encountered that?
My backup lights are also battery. Secula rear light, Ixon IQ premium headlight, blinkies. The IQ also makes a convenient flashlight.
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Kingston - Just a quick thought about Ixon Premium and other AA battery based gps, lights - It's my understanding that with the proper cable and maybe USB charger (?)( Peter White) the Ixon IQ can actually recharge its AA Lithium batteries from a dynamo! So, keeping an extra set of rechargeable AAs and swapping as needed might be useful. With Rando, maybe not so much because it's easy to buy AAs enroute Might be more useful on extended tour or bikepacking of some sort.
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Ixon and Planet Bike* headlights QR mounts seem interchangeable the one on the left looks just like what comes with theirs..
4th (not shown above), is the one using a wire loop, like a wired headlight mount, so as to mount on fork crowns behind brakes & other bolt on situations..
* I noticed, UK brands many of the same products by a different importer's name..
4th (not shown above), is the one using a wire loop, like a wired headlight mount, so as to mount on fork crowns behind brakes & other bolt on situations..
* I noticed, UK brands many of the same products by a different importer's name..