cudak888 

Gary is Miami based, TSD was on the west coast of Florida.

Does the Ciocc frame have a pantographed TSD logo on it anywhere? If not, there's no reason to believe it came through TSD - but if it does, yes.

Either way, the picture you sent me only included the "Paint By COLE" decal on it. This means is that Gary did a respray on it at one time. Wouldn't be the original finish, TSD or otherwise.

-Kurt

Murray Missile 

I bought what I believe to be a '84 or '85 Guerciotti frame set about 3 years ago. It is blue and yellow with Guerciotto decals and it's Columbus SLX tubing. It has the Guerciotto panto on the right side of the rear brake bridge and the TSD panto on the left but no other TSD identifiers and I haven't found a SN anywhere. I'm slowly piecing together period Super Record components to get it back in commission but I have Champagne taste on a Budweiser budget so it's taking a while. 😐

RobbieTunes

I have a TSDI Gerk, I THINK. Non-lugged fork, Tre Tubing decals, red/white/blue fade. I’ll have to look at the pantos. Nice feeling frame. I’ve not built it; wishy washy between 2.10 DA DT and 3.10 Centaur DT and 2.10 Veloce black.

goertex

thanks for the reply. Yes there is a TSD panto on the brake bridge. So I guess this bike came through TSD and was later resprayed by Mr Cole.
no real “Florida connection “
I love playing arm chair velo detective
thanks guys

embankmentlb

One thing to note. Not all frames that came through TSD had the TSD logo on the brake bridge. At least for Guerciotti frames , many only had the TSD sticker with serial number to ID them as a TSD bike.

sbarner 

This is an old thread, I know, but bear with me.
We used to do that at the shop I worked at in Vermont in the 1980s. One time when I was at Marinoni's shop in Montreal picking up frames, I bragged about doing this and he chastised me for it. His point was that it was unnecessary, as they prepped every frame there at the factory, and all we were doing was to 'make the threads loose', or something to that effect. After that, we no prepped a frame if it was obvious that it had already been done, or unless there seemed to be a reason to do so. I have the tools to do this today, but I don't use them unless I have reason to.

I have to be honest that, as a 20-something with a bunch of years wrenching and working in bike shops, largely self-taught, I wanted to feel like I was something special. After all, I was the most experienced person in our "pro shop", I had my own torches, and I was the one who was trusted with the Campy and VAR frame prep tools. Now, decades later, I have to admit that, like almost all youthful bike mechanics and salespeople both then and now, my estimation of my expertise was vastly inflated. When I think of all the guys I would see in similar shops, walking around with their noses in the air as if they had a Campy straightedge shoved up their ass, I don't think I was alone. I see these kids today explaining to customers what products and services they must buy in order to enjoy the sport of cycling and just shake my head and bite my tongue.

Steve Barner
Bolton, Vermont
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e-RICHIE

Agreed. This sentiment crosses over into the now not-so-new framebuilding zeitgeist that began after the Y2K period. If people last long enough, they're (some, anyway) likely to realize that real world experience, and training, and maybe patience too are what they lacked a month after they started blogging about the work they've been doing.