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Old 05-12-18, 02:43 PM
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My CTL hasn't really recovered from January - February despite putting in a lot of hours. I'm just not getting enough 100+ TSS days. I blame a lot of this on not having time on the weekend, and the gym just trashing my legs. I think it helps, but not at the cost of losing training days from soreness. So I will probably cut it out for 2 weeks, and then go to 1x a week until racing is done.

The good thing is my bad ftp in 2018 is my peak ftp in 2015.
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2hrs of 5x15 sweet spot, around 91%, ctl is at 87
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Old 05-12-18, 03:59 PM
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Super windy River Ride today. Finally pushed my CTL back over 80.
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Old 05-12-18, 10:47 PM
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Another weekened of no racing.. Followed by another week of moved races next week. 3 weeks of no racing in a row with a **** race the week before that. Gonna go bonkers here. COnsidering driving to a mtb race next weekend just to consider getting some competitive urges out.

Anyways, first rde in the rain in a LONG time today. a bit over 3 hours. Felt like I was back home!
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Old 05-13-18, 08:56 AM
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struggling with laziness on this rest week, which has been exceptionally inactive. Think I've ridden for about 3.5 hrs total this week. My time is running out so I'll probably step out in 3...2...


...1...0.5...0.25...
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CTL and power output is still pretty much in the toilet. I did put out 360 for 5 this week, and considering my weight is below 135 (the one shining spot right now) I guess it's not all terrible. Still, I'm a quantum leap from where I was five weeks ago. Just plugging away and happy to be doing something, while looking for whatever positive signs I can find.
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Old 05-13-18, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
CTL and power output is still pretty much in the toilet. I did put out 360 for 5 this week, and considering my weight is below 135 (the one shining spot right now) I guess it's not all terrible. Still, I'm a quantum leap from where I was five weeks ago. Just plugging away and happy to be doing something, while looking for whatever positive signs I can find.
So an almost unfathomably small distance?
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Old 05-13-18, 05:40 PM
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So an almost unfathomably small distance?
Pretty much. I figure any day, and rather unexpectantly, things are going to simply fall into place. 360 for 5 is only 10-12 watts off my season best. And I weigh less now. Can't be too far, no matter how awful it feels.
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Old 05-13-18, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
Pretty much. I figure any day, and rather unexpectantly, things are going to simply fall into place. 360 for 5 is only 10-12 watts off my season best. And I weigh less now. Can't be too far, no matter how awful it feels.
you know that vo2max efforts & above are the first ting to suffer when you have to back off, and they never feel great.

your body is going through a bunch to heal.

you are injured and worried about 10-12w off a season best? sounds like you should be BRAGGING about that, with the injury!

hope the #s translate for you once you are set free.
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Old 05-13-18, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
your body is going through a bunch to heal.
The caloric demand of illness and recovery is often underestimated... cancer patients just sitting around undergo profound weight loss. I've read estimates that severe illness, trauma, burns can be up to 5000kcal/day!
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Old 05-13-18, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
The caloric demand of illness and recovery is often underestimated... cancer patients just sitting around undergo profound weight loss. I've read estimates that severe illness, trauma, burns can be up to 5000kcal/day!
yup. lot of energy to grow bone / new tissue.

all the cyclists may be jealous: a close buddy of mine got diagnosed with stomach cancer (treatment is removal of the stomach). 20% drop in weight in the first few weeks.
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Old 05-14-18, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by tetonrider
you know that vo2max efforts & above are the first ting to suffer when you have to back off, and they never feel great.

your body is going through a bunch to heal.

you are injured and worried about 10-12w off a season best? sounds like you should be BRAGGING about that, with the injury!

hope the #s translate for you once you are set free.
Well I'm on the other side of the injury now. On to therapy.

Not really worried though, honestly (this is a training forum so I posted something 'trainey'). Can't say if I'll even ever race again. If I do what discipline it might be in. Never mind when. Right now the task is to actually get my hand to function. Without that everything else is moot.

sounds like you should be BRAGGING about that, with the injury!
#humblebragg
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Old 05-14-18, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mollusk
I am pretty sure that you saw me because I saw you.

Believe it or not I am really slow now.
Me too. Yesterday it took me 1:54 to do a ride I used to do in 1:40.
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Old 05-14-18, 12:09 PM
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Thought some teammates were getting together to ride at 6am this morning. Got there and re read the message.. 6pm.

Dammit.

Regardless, 1800 feet of climbing in 45 minutes and 4.5 miles on the mtb before turning around to go back to the car and get to the work training I've got going on this week.
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Old 05-14-18, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Enthalpic
The caloric demand of illness and recovery is often underestimated... cancer patients just sitting around undergo profound weight loss. I've read estimates that severe illness, trauma, burns can be up to 5000kcal/day!
brb, have a fatburning burning idea
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Old 05-14-18, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
Well I'm on the other side of the injury now. On to therapy.

Not really worried though, honestly (this is a training forum so I posted something 'trainey'). Can't say if I'll even ever race again. If I do what discipline it might be in. Never mind when. Right now the task is to actually get my hand to function. Without that everything else is moot.



#humblebragg
Just pick races that don't end around the same time as the 4's!
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Old 05-15-18, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Just pick races that don't end around the same time as the 4's!
been saving that up? Not sure how it connects though. Retool and try again. You can do better I know it.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:14 AM
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Wasn't it a 4 that slammed into you after your finish?
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Old 05-15-18, 09:17 AM
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Yes though still not sure what it has to do with how my thumb functions or if I race again. I’m sure it makes sense to you but it’s eluding me
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Old 05-15-18, 12:12 PM
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Felt like dogcrap but hit all my wattage targets. I guess that's good.
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Old 05-15-18, 01:09 PM
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Did something very unlike my usual riding - 57 times around my block with the ~20 second hill at ~165% +
It's fun hitting 105 TSS in an hour. Wasn't even mentally difficult except for avoiding pedestrians and cars and buses and cops and cyclists and electric scooters. Wanted to get a little bit of power in between the hills but that just wasn't possible even with all right turns.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
Yes though still not sure what it has to do with how my thumb functions or if I race again. I’m sure it makes sense to you but it’s eluding me
Figured it'd make it safe enough for you to race without worry.

If you have to explain it, it's not funny. Back to the drawing board...
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Old 05-15-18, 01:24 PM
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Felt like dogcrap but hit all my wattage targets. I guess that's good.
Days when you make it happen even when you don't think it's going to are good days.
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Old 05-15-18, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Figured it'd make it safe enough for you to race without worry.

If you have to explain it, it's not funny. Back to the drawing board...


There are a few more hurdles, really.

One, will my hand return to normal? Normal as in gorilla grip. If I can't rip the bars I can't really do some aspects of mass start stuff. If I can't do those, I can't win, and then is there a point to the risk? Not sure. Right now I can't make an 'okay sign' or call you a loser with my left hand. So imagining attacking in a race, or sprinting to the finish is all pretty foreign.

I have a lot of metal in my body, along with multiple (read: nearly all) broken ribs, head trauma...That isn't to say I'm scared. I'm really not. All back to normal I have no doubt I jump into a race and ride without any hesitation. And yet still it's simultaneously true that I don't really want another surgery. And (skipping races that finished near the cat 4 race aside) shows you can get hurt anywhere. Hell I could have gotten taken down on the way to the porta potty.

Right now I'd like to be able to zip a jacket or button a shirt. I'm happy to be training though. It has brought some normalcy to my day to day existence. Whether that eventually equates into classic mass start racing will be something I take on at an appropriate time. Right now I'm going to miss out on all my major mass start goals for the year so if I get back to it this year or next, or become a TT guy in the interim it'll unfold when there's some epiphany.
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Originally Posted by gsteinb
There are a few more hurdles, really.
@gsteinb I'm reading the book "The Brave Athlete - Calm the F*** Down and Rise to the Occasion" and I happen to be on the chapter dealing with the mental side of injuries. It's a pretty interesting book and suggest it for anyone interested in the head side of training (a big interest of mine right now) and what they recommend for what you are currently going through is to challenge the catastrophic thoughts (I might never race again) with factual evidence to the contrary even though you might know if it's feasible or not yet and preferably in your control (it's too early to tell how my hand will respond but I will start training when my injury allows). The goal is to create counter statements that focus on the positive to balance the negative emotions of the unknown.

Hang in there.
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