Moots vs Trek vs Lynskey
05-23-18, 10:47 PM
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One thing in Lynskey's favor to keep in mind is that they got into bike building through ti fabrication, not the other way around. They are often put into the "second tier" here on BF, due probably to pricing and some of their sales techniques mostly, but they have more ti welding experience than most. As for the rusted bolts on the stem, while they probably don't have the legal department of Trek or Specialized, they probably do have enough lawyers to advise them not to change parts on a suppliers part, especially one where failure could cause serious injury.
Price wise and frame wise they are second to none. I like my bike and I am a bit worried that I may get something that doesn't ride as well as my Helix... TBH I am second guessing myself.
Part of me tells me to be realistic and just change the stem. Maybe get new wheels. Part of me looks at Moots and wonders if it's worth the price they ask.
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its a road bike not a mountain bike- you dont need and dont benefit from a comically fat head tube and steerer.
a tapered head tube and steerer is stiffer than a straight one. This is sold as increased feedback...which really just means you feel more. Its also sold as allowing you to corner faster/harder.
that doesn't apply to 96% of cyclists.
all most people get when they have a crazy wide steerer and head tube is an extremely stiff front end.
Sweet- all the recent effort to make road cycling more comfortable(geonetry, tire width, gimmicky vibtmration and shock absorption points) and some of its done because the font end is overly stiff and unnecessarily jarring.
-end rant-
now with all that said...a tapered steerer is best for a carbon fork as the smoother transition from fork blade to steerer makes a stronger abd nore consistent fork.
1 1/4 to 1 1/8 is perfectly fine. Its a road bike thats already super stiff.
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I got a quote from Moots - pricey!!! And I had alloy wheels (Rolf Alpha stealth) and such - while very good definitely not the priciest...
Now I am talking with Lynskey about a custom build. Let's see. I asked for some details on the frame to my liking + engraved badge rather than the standard one etc.
If I am to go for it I might as well go for broke (and broke I will be
).
If I can't afford it or I don't think it's worth it at the end, so be it, I still have a decent bike.
Now I am talking with Lynskey about a custom build. Let's see. I asked for some details on the frame to my liking + engraved badge rather than the standard one etc.
If I am to go for it I might as well go for broke (and broke I will be
).If I can't afford it or I don't think it's worth it at the end, so be it, I still have a decent bike.
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I got a quote from Moots - pricey!!! And I had alloy wheels (Rolf Alpha stealth) and such - while very good definitely not the priciest...
Now I am talking with Lynskey about a custom build. Let's see. I asked for some details on the frame to my liking + engraved badge rather than the standard one etc.
If I am to go for it I might as well go for broke (and broke I will be ).
If I can't afford it or I don't think it's worth it at the end, so be it, I still have a decent bike.
Now I am talking with Lynskey about a custom build. Let's see. I asked for some details on the frame to my liking + engraved badge rather than the standard one etc.
If I am to go for it I might as well go for broke (and broke I will be
).If I can't afford it or I don't think it's worth it at the end, so be it, I still have a decent bike.
My Carver was built with Di2 for the cost of my Seven frameset. Both do their own things great and put a dumb grin on my face.
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Yea...base frame cost for Lynskey or Seven or Indy fab is around $4500 or frameset....plus components. Lynskey, depending on sales starts around $1800-$2500 for frameset+parts.
My Carver was built with Di2 for the cost of my Seven frameset. Both do their own things great and put a dumb grin on my face.
My Carver was built with Di2 for the cost of my Seven frameset. Both do their own things great and put a dumb grin on my face.
05-25-18, 06:14 AM
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Aesthetically, a tarted up Lynskey looks great.
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I got a quote from Moots - pricey!!! And I had alloy wheels (Rolf Alpha stealth) and such - while very good definitely not the priciest...
Now I am talking with Lynskey about a custom build. Let's see. I asked for some details on the frame to my liking + engraved badge rather than the standard one etc.
If I am to go for it I might as well go for broke (and broke I will be ).
If I can't afford it or I don't think it's worth it at the end, so be it, I still have a decent bike.
Now I am talking with Lynskey about a custom build. Let's see. I asked for some details on the frame to my liking + engraved badge rather than the standard one etc.
If I am to go for it I might as well go for broke (and broke I will be
).If I can't afford it or I don't think it's worth it at the end, so be it, I still have a decent bike.
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05-25-18, 06:35 AM
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Mosaic Ti bikes have been scientifically proven to be the best looking of all bikes:
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05-25-18, 07:45 AM
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I had a much bigger initial budget when I went shopping for a new bike last year, focusing on Ti bikes, and I just couldn't find a reason to pay more than what I paid for my Lynskey. I ended up coming in at a little over 1/2 my budget.
I've been on rides where guys have Moots or other higher-end Ti bikes and I compare them to my Lynskey. I personally don't see much difference, but I suppose if I owned one of the higher end bikes I might. Whether or not that would be all in my mind I dunno. And then riding is another aspect, I've never ridden any of those other bikes so maybe they ride better.
I've been on rides where guys have Moots or other higher-end Ti bikes and I compare them to my Lynskey. I personally don't see much difference, but I suppose if I owned one of the higher end bikes I might. Whether or not that would be all in my mind I dunno. And then riding is another aspect, I've never ridden any of those other bikes so maybe they ride better.
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Not sure if you'd have any interest in building up your own.. but came across the Kona Esatto Ti frameset -- nice looking IMO and good sale price; and built by Lynskey (to Kona's specs I assume)
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Maybe not - here's how I'd evaluate. Pick a Moots and component group that you'd be happy with and meets your budget. Then go to Lynskey and see what you get for the same price.
Example:
Moots Vamoots with mechanical Ultegra: $6500
Lynskey Sportive with DA Di2: $6500
Now my decision is not whether to bust my budget, but whether to spend it on the frame or the group.
And again... Landshark full CUSTOM carbon fiber with Ultegra Di2: $7000, Ultegra mech $6000
Example:
Moots Vamoots with mechanical Ultegra: $6500
Lynskey Sportive with DA Di2: $6500
Now my decision is not whether to bust my budget, but whether to spend it on the frame or the group.
And again... Landshark full CUSTOM carbon fiber with Ultegra Di2: $7000, Ultegra mech $6000
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Maybe not - here's how I'd evaluate. Pick a Moots and component group that you'd be happy with and meets your budget. Then go to Lynskey and see what you get for the same price.
Example:
Moots Vamoots with mechanical Ultegra: $6500
Lynskey Sportive with DA Di2: $6500
Now my decision is not whether to bust my budget, but whether to spend it on the frame or the group.
And again... Landshark full CUSTOM carbon fiber with Ultegra Di2: $7000, Ultegra mech $6000
Example:
Moots Vamoots with mechanical Ultegra: $6500
Lynskey Sportive with DA Di2: $6500
Now my decision is not whether to bust my budget, but whether to spend it on the frame or the group.
And again... Landshark full CUSTOM carbon fiber with Ultegra Di2: $7000, Ultegra mech $6000
05-25-18, 06:25 PM
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That is a valid way to look at it, but if you're not buying anything custom,one thing that tips the scales towards Lynskey is that their stock bikes are nearly always on sale. It was a few years back and in January, but my wife's r255 with Force22 build was about 1/2 those numbers.
05-26-18, 08:26 AM
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It seems Lynskey gets a good deal from Mavic so I was wondering about these 2 wheels
Mavic Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283)
Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/cosmic-...html#1028=3283)
I am more interested in the first as I climb more than I go on flats. Can these rims be used with clincher tires?
Mavic Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283)
Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/cosmic-...html#1028=3283)
I am more interested in the first as I climb more than I go on flats. Can these rims be used with clincher tires?
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It seems Lynskey gets a good deal from Mavic so I was wondering about these 2 wheels
Mavic Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283)
Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/cosmic-...html#1028=3283)
I am more interested in the first as I climb more than I go on flats. Can these rims be used with clincher tires?
Mavic Ksyrium Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283)
Mavic Cosmic Pro Carbon SL T (https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/cosmic-...html#1028=3283)
I am more interested in the first as I climb more than I go on flats. Can these rims be used with clincher tires?
05-26-18, 08:40 AM
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These alloy rims (the Pro_ have in the specs pressure for both tubeless and with tubes, hinting they are clincher too
https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283
Alas, they have Alu spokes... Can Alu spokes be trusted?
https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283
Alas, they have Alu spokes... Can Alu spokes be trusted?
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These alloy rims (the Pro_ have in the specs pressure for both tubeless and with tubes, hinting they are clincher too
https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283
Alas, they have Alu spokes... Can Alu spokes be trusted?
https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/ksyrium...html#1028=3283
Alas, they have Alu spokes... Can Alu spokes be trusted?
Note these are UST "standard" clinchers...the only people who make UST rims or tires are Mavic--and their UST tires are $80 each. You can use other tubeless clinchers ofc. Either way I wouldn't buy Mavic wheels. You look at the OED dictionary for "impossible to find and expensive replacement parts" you see the Mavic logo. If I were blowing $2,000 on some ginchy wheels I'd sped DT spokes, White Industries hubs, and some CF rims from somewhere.
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Those are clincher rims for use with either tubeless-clinchers or tubed-clinchers. Clinchers/tubeless-clinchers are one species...tubulars are another.
Note these are UST "standard" clinchers...the only people who make UST rims or tires are Mavic--and their UST tires are $80 each. You can use other tubeless clinchers ofc. Either way I wouldn't buy Mavic wheels. You look at the OED dictionary for "impossible to find and expensive replacement parts" you see the Mavic logo. If I were blowing $2,000 on some ginchy wheels I'd sped DT spokes, White Industries hubs, and some CF rims from somewhere.
Note these are UST "standard" clinchers...the only people who make UST rims or tires are Mavic--and their UST tires are $80 each. You can use other tubeless clinchers ofc. Either way I wouldn't buy Mavic wheels. You look at the OED dictionary for "impossible to find and expensive replacement parts" you see the Mavic logo. If I were blowing $2,000 on some ginchy wheels I'd sped DT spokes, White Industries hubs, and some CF rims from somewhere.
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Its no different than a Lexus vs Camry debate. Get what you want and can afford.
To use your analogy, can it be a late 60's Ford Mustang Fastback vs the Porsche? I know my preference😁
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OP what is your budget? It loks like you're shopping the $6,000-$10,000 bracket.
There are lots of boutique Titanium makers big and small in that bracket that are US born and bred. No22, Firefly, Independent Fabrication, Seven, Steve Potts,....all great folks to work with, and will make a beautiful bike....depending on what exactly your budget is and what features you want.
There are lots of boutique Titanium makers big and small in that bracket that are US born and bred. No22, Firefly, Independent Fabrication, Seven, Steve Potts,....all great folks to work with, and will make a beautiful bike....depending on what exactly your budget is and what features you want.
I'd like something like Enve 2.2 or Bontrager XXX 2 rims / SRAM eTap / Fizic seat + handlebar (alloy - NOT carbon - around 300$ combined)
Ideally the bike will have a Ti stem + Ti seatpost + etched logos + engraved badge.
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I'm in an analysis paralysis phase. I even checked the welds on my Lynskey after hearing Moots owners how great the Moots are. Happy to report that Lynskey can make very fine welds too. And great frames.
The looks of a Moots however has a je ne sais quoi - something Lynskey doesn't have imo. The regular Lynskey looks more of an "industrial design". The frame quality, however, I dare saying is second to none (Please don't unfriend me on Facebook now).
The looks of a Moots however has a je ne sais quoi - something Lynskey doesn't have imo. The regular Lynskey looks more of an "industrial design". The frame quality, however, I dare saying is second to none (Please don't unfriend me on Facebook now).
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And... the winner is Lynskey. I talked with them on a phone about a custom bike with engravings, one of a kind dropouts, etc. Probably round tubes or 2 round and a triangle one, etc. Carbon wheels, eTap Red 22, etc. Now the hard part will be to decide finish, engravings, etching or maybe painting??? I know I want details and a low-key looking bike, something that looks stealth, etc but I don't know exactly how that's going to be...