gettingold

Awesome. I love the industrial mill and etching but paint would be cool also.

gettingold

Here it is with mill and etching. Pretty stealthy I think:

Jazzguitar

Boerd

Lynskey has a lot of good deals on stock stuff but when you talk custom for something eTap, carbon wheels, etc the difference between Moots, Eriksen and Lynskey is small. It would be unwise to cheap out on a 10-15% difference between Eriksen and Lynskey. Moots is around 20% more expensive due to taxes (for Lynskey and Eriksen I don't pay taxes). I chose based on how they treated me before and the fact they are a big company that can make any bike I like - or so they say. It's a very hard decision and I'm not totally convinced.

Boerd

Uhh. Ohhh. Thought longer and changed my mind. I am not giving up my Lynskey Helix Pro. This ride is just too sweet. So I went Moots Vamoots RSL. I ponied up with etched finish, engraved badge, etched seatpost and stem, carbon wheels (Mavic Cosmic PRO Carbon SL UST) and eTap. The only bad part about Moots is the long wait. 8 weeks!!! Just placed the order with Moots.

tony2v

Congrats! Welcome to the congregation (that's what a group of alligators are called).
Did you go with a stock or custom geometry? My 2018 Vamoots RSL is a custom geometry because the stock 55 and 56 had too high a stack for my position.

Boerd

54 is perfect for me except I had to add 1 cm to the head tube to make it taller. You must be very flexible!

dougphoto

Moots

pvillemasher

I'm not sure the Lynskey would have gotten to you any quicker...did they give you an ETA? Just curious.

Sounds like you'll end up with a really nice ride, will be well worth the wait.

Boerd

It would have been around 6 weeks - slightly faster. But, I decided I like my Helix too much so I will keep it. Hence it would make sense to try a Moots. I hope it will be a ride as good as the Helix.
Plus - Moots has the exact finishes and touches I like. Lynskey has the resources to do anything you like but you have to know what you are asking for... In a weird way I felt that having a limited but very nice set of options is better.
Even though the sky is the limit with Lynskey I am not sure I can design a bike to look as nice as a Moots RSL (strike that - I am sure I could not, not in a 1000 years!). All the respect for Lynskey but I a just ordered a Moots.

Sy Reene

The way this is presented (and your OP which only mentions Trek's LBS support as a plus), it sounds like you went to Moots directly for the purchase, even though their site indicates to work thru their dealers?

Boerd

Sy Reene

ahh. ok. I did see that Moots' website has a "Call for Pricing" mention so was confused.. That said, are you doing frameset from Moots and the LBS is doing custom build up of the bike, or will the bike ship complete from Moots factory with your specced components, etc? It might be interesting to call Moots, spec your bike and see how their pricing compares to the LBS quote..

Boerd

Moots is serious about supporting their dealers. I don't think there is a point in trying to game their system. I didn't try but in the end I got a decent deal. I put a lot of options on my bike and I am ok with the price. Plus - later on I want to have a good relationship with the LBS.
BTW - Moots gives you a msrp and sends you to the dealer (LBS) from what I've heard.

Sy Reene

Fair enough. Is Moots or the LBS though doing the parts collection and assembly? just curious
[EDIT]: for warranty issues, while you'd go thru the LBS either way, for non-frame issues, is the LBS going to be dealing with Moots or the independent component manufacturers?

Boerd

The LBS is buying the components and assembling the bike- so I expect they would take care of components. However, Moots has to have an interest in keeping you happy so I think the LBS has to make you happy (within reason) or else...
This is a niche industry - not a lot of people buy these kind of bikes and the customer perception has to matter for all Ti builders. My 2c.

tony2v

When I had my Vamoots RSL built, I went through my LBS (they sponsor my racing club) I brought them the Campy Record gruppo, the power2max NGeco Campy crankset (consumer direct only) and the Vittoria tires/tubes.
They built my custom wheels, acquired the ENVE parts and PRO Stealth saddle.
I got my team discount on all the parts purchased through the shop including the frame.
The shop owner and I worked with Moots on getting me a custom size frame because their stock 55 and 56cm frames have a stack that's too tall for my position. So we sent Moots the drawings from my Alchemy Xanthus and Breadwinner Lolo.
The finished build had me in exactly the position as my Alchemy.
I love this bike! So smooth, but as quick and snappy as my Alchemy. It's my new weapon on the club rides

Boerd

8th of August is the date for my bike... My my. It'll take a while. At least I got everything I wanted in this build - at a price . In the meantime I'll be enjoying my Helix Pro. Now I'm curious how these 2 will compare.

rutan74

Sorry, I'm here late. If you are still looking for a good set of carbon wheels in the 2k range, try NOX out of Knoxville, Tenn. My wheel builder rides these and also builds these. Says they are really nice. I'm not ready to plunk down that type of cash but the guy I ride with is getting ready to pull the trigger and this is what he is recommending. Made in the U.S. too. For the 2k, that includes Chris King hubs.

John

Boerd

Ha! You are asking me to take a leap of faith. I am a sucker for musa but - are there any reviews / tests / etc online about these wheels? Mavic is a big name, made in France (no sweatshop), etc.
Found a few online reviews on NOX. Interesting.

Chandne

Too bad. Moots is far > Lynskey though Lynskey is > Diamondback.

Marcus_Ti

Not exactly. Mavic was based in France, and bought out by Salomon...Salomon, who then went bust...who were then bought by Addidas...who sold Salomon/Mavic off.... Today, like ENVE, they are owned by Amer Sports, a multinational conglomerate. Last I knew, their wheels were made in Romania.


The problem with Mavic wheels...spares are expensive and take forever to get. As opposed to a quality set of handbuilts. Given the choice of DT spokes, White hubs, and say NOX rims or Mavic---the former would be a no brainer every time.

Boerd

Cheapest Mavic (Aksyum ALU) - Asia (China I think)
Ksyryum ALU - Romania
Everything more expensive -> Made in France

I have a pair of Ksyryum ALU, made in Romania - they are very good.
Of course I will look to see where I can find assembled NOX. I will read up about them but I'm fine with made in France Cosmic Carbon SL USL unless NOX is the real deal.

Marcus_Ti

Prowheelbuilder offers custom NOX builds. Also other CF rims as well....and just about every hub known to man.

Boerd

Ha ha - I was configuring them on Prowheelbuilder...
Price as configured: $1785.44Weight:1505 grams
$ match the Mavic. Hmm - let me talk with the guy building my bike.