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Adding an extra water bottle cage to a bike?

Old 09-07-19, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Your're talking about these from King, right?

https://www.benscycle.com/King-Cage-Universal-Support-Bolt/Water_Bottle_Cage_Hardware_KingCage_SupportBolt_584/Product?ad_id=MAgoogle&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqs3rBRCdARIsADe1pfTLoPAgIT1DgsopxmDqVYizeJHWwaaFuiOU0CNIOIPnWvO Qh9zGglEaArzsEALw_wcB

These are very clever but pricey at $6 each. They look very solid. They look like a modded hose clamp and they do look like they'll hold a water bottle cage securely. I would trust these under the down tube or on the seat tube.

I agree by the way. The combo of a modern water bottle cage with the old school clamps is often not a solid one which is why I started this thread.

VO clamps are a heck of a lot cheaper at $3 for a pair but the VO site says they do not work with VO water bottle cages. Huh?

That's too bad because I like VO cages and I'm running one on my Fuji with an old school clamp. It is working but it was a pain to get on and the clamps are not holding as well as they might.

https://velo-orange.com/products/bottle-cage-clamp
Yeah, those are the King straps I was referring too. Frankly, I wouldn't put them on a classic road bike either. It's the 90s industrial chic thing. Just right for a vintage Ti mountain bike. I think those Zefal straps look like a better option.

It is strange that VO sells cages that don't work with the VO bottle cage straps. Almost nonsensical. Perhaps they used to sell a compatible cage. Can't recall. If that's the combo you're using no wonder it's not working great. The traditional metal straps are actually quite secure if used with a vintage or vintage style bottle cage that has rectangular tab extensions that the straps are meant to go over. See vintage TA bottle cages, or REG or Cobra. A bit later in the 80s the same standard was adopted by early Specialized, Blackburn, 'Avenir', etc etc.

Anyhow, other than vintage cages, the only cages sold today that will still work with straps are the OG Blackburn 'Comp' and the Zefal vintage reissue. For all others you'll need your choice of doodad.
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Old 09-07-19, 07:31 PM
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Here's RJ the bike guy using hose clamps; that's a lot cheaper than the King ones and I think it looks fine on a vintage bike in a steampunk kind of way. Sorry @nomadmax and @Salamandrine, What the heck it's cheap and strong:


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Old 09-07-19, 09:32 PM
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Two Fish makes an excellent strap on bottle cage holder that works very well.
I've used one for years on various bikes with only one set of cage mounts.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Two Fish makes an excellent strap on bottle cage holder that works very well.
I've used one for years on various bikes with only one set of cage mounts.
I have a Two Fish cage as well but found it would not stay in place on the ST - rotated around n hit my leg. I cut a strip of old inner tube that wraps around the ST then the Two Fish Velcro strap wraps over that. I clean the rubber block on the Two Fish, clean the inner tube strip and clean the ST. Then, when mounted the cage stays in place nicely.

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Old 09-08-19, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Here's RJ the bike guy using hose clamps; that's a lot cheaper than the King ones and I think it looks fine on a vintage bike in a steampunk kind of way. Sorry @nomadmax and @Salamandrine, What the heck it's cheap and strong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6BmVV7L_DA
I think you grabbed the wrong video, this uses zip ties and not RJ...I like simple hose clamps as well
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Originally Posted by Deal4Fuji View Post
I think you grabbed the wrong video, this uses zip ties and not RJ...I like simple hose clamps as well
Fixed, don't want to give this faux RJ guy any extra business,
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Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
Fixed, don't want to give this faux RJ guy any extra business,
Anyone heard if RJ is back doing videos yet?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7a9yw9
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Two Fish makes an excellent strap on bottle cage holder that works very well.
I've used one for years on various bikes with only one set of cage mounts.
Doc, is that the Quick Cage you are using?

Do you think it would stand up for bouncy off road/gravel usage?

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I found on a few of my bikes; the water bottle mountings for either the Bars or Stem work well

.In the early tours of the 40's 50's you can see these types of holders on the bikes, Even Double ones !!

Surprising how easy it is to take a drink.
Also NO scratching the painted surfaces of the frame tubes..
Enjoy riding

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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
It is strange that VO sells cages that don't work with the VO bottle cage straps.
I'm using VO bottle cage clamps with two VO cage models, the moderniste and retro (with tab).
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Old 09-08-19, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Deal4Fuji View Post
Anyone heard if RJ is back doing videos yet?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7a9yw9
Wow that video is painful just to watch. I hope he's back to making videos.
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Pursuant to my earlier post about using Rivnuts. Here's an image of a Shimano Aero water bottle and cage put on a 1980s vintage Bianchi by using Rivnuts. You can see how clean a look the Rivnuts give when installed.




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Originally Posted by Vintage_Cyclist View Post
A pair of DMR Hinged Clamps. Rock solid.


Thanks! A bit modern but looks to be ideal for secure mounting.
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Originally Posted by gomango View Post
Doc, is that the Quick Cage you are using?

Do you think it would stand up for bouncy off road/gravel usage?

TIA
Grady- Yes, that's the one I have been using for a few years now. I haven't experienced any problem with it moving around and hitting my leg like Prowler, but can see how that might happen depending on seat tube diameter, paint finish, type of wax used, etc.

I think for a bouncy kind of application I would be tempted to used his strip-O-inner tube method to ensure less movement.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Grady- Yes, that's the one I have been using for a few years now. I haven't experienced any problem with it moving around and hitting my leg like Prowler, but can see how that might happen depending on seat tube diameter, paint finish, type of wax used, etc.

I think for a bouncy kind of application I would be tempted to used his strip-O-inner tube method to ensure less movement.
Sounds good.

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This has been a good thread with a lot of ideas for adding a 2d water bottle cage to an old bike. Another possibility to keep in mind is the zefal magnum one liter bottle. It holds 33 ounces which is significantly more than a "standard" water bottle which tend to come in at around 24 ounces capacity. There are some online complaints about leaking but the new ones, in my experience, do not. The only downside is that they are tall and they can be difficult to refill in some sinks.
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