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Old 10-17-16, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by HazeT View Post
I always thought the rule was to never shift under load... I guess that only applies to shimano and specially SRAM front derailleurs.
Newer Shimano (105 5800) seems to do just fine shifting under load up front going from small to big. Going the other way is asking for a dropped chain so I never do that. Hopefully Chorus is nearly as good as Shimano as that will do just fine.

I have been successfully shifting the rear under load since my first Sora-equipped bike. If it is a 'rule' disobeying it has never hurt anything on my bikes.
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Originally Posted by redlude97 View Post
It will smash the cable. Won't affect adjustments because those are done with the barrel adjuster. Only need to clamp once. I've run it both ways. I'd recommend doing this first to see if the reduced throw is enough for you and then hacksaw the arm for a more secure attachment
Thanks for the info. Glad to find out about all this now rather than later.
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I just googled campagnolo with spyre and the results were not very promising. You may consider whatever or not you can live with a hack before you mount the groupset. If it comes to worst after the readings you may return the groupset or try to sell as new.
From the workarounds that I've read, it is a pain to adjust and you have to go through it again as the pads wear or you take the wheel off for some reason.

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the hacks/annoyance were for the standard mechanical disc, not the HY/RD, so I'm not sure if it still applies
According to TRP, both the Spyre and HY/RD calipers have the same issue with Campy levers. I am glad there is a work-around as simple as a rerouted cable otherwise I'd be looking at somehow fitting a custom arm to the Spyre to make it work. I am slightly tempted as it would save some weight...
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According to TRP, both the Spyre and HY/RD calipers have the same issue with Campy levers. I am glad there is a work-around as simple as a rerouted cable otherwise I'd be looking at somehow fitting a custom arm to the Spyre to make it work. I am slightly tempted as it would save some weight...
Keep us posted. I've been debating for a while whatever build my new bike with chorus or force.
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Keep us posted. I've been debating for a while whatever build my new bike with chorus or force.
I am planning to order the HY/RD's tomorrow. I actually need to order a Spyre flat mount caliper for a completely separate non-bike related project so I'll take a close look at that one to see about swapping out the arm. The main body design appears as if it may prevent moving the cable connection point in far enough to fix the issue, though.
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Quick update: frame, fork, and rims received from Hongfu. All packed very well and damage-free, and all exactly as specified right down to no brake track on the rims. Frame weighs in right on target at 1060g and similarly 400g for the fork (uncut). The rims are a little porkier than promised at ~405g (390 claimed) but they appear to be very well made and accurate dimensionally (per my ERD and width measurements).

I also have the TRP Spyre and HY/RD flat mount brakes in my possession. As previously noted, converting the Spyre to work with Campy levers isn't a simple proposition, but I think I am going to try anyway I completed a CAD model of the Spyre caliper, including a detailed actuator arm which I will modify to account for the shorter pull of the Campy levers. Assuming I can have them CNC'ed for a reasonable cost and that I'm confident they'll work (!), I'll likely have ~10 sets made as I'm sure I'm not the only one facing this dilemma. Even if I don't sell them off, I can kid myself that my pair didn't cost that much because making 20 will be far cheaper (per set) than making 2.

I do plan to give the HY/RD's a try since I bought them. Undecided if I'll just hacksaw the arm to work with my Chorus levers (
), come up with a cleaner modification to the stock arm, or make a completely new arm (a la my work on the Spyre). I have time to decide because I am days (maybe hours) away from a second child which will put my life on hold for a week or more.

Side note on both TRP calipers: they have no interference issues with the Shimano Icetech Freeza RT-99 rotors. I only have the 160mm front so far but the fins easily clear the caliper bodies.

Pictures will follow as soon as I get a chance to take some worth posting.
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Spyre actuator arm for those interested.
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Interesting stuff. You are well on your way. You have to expect some variation of weight in the rims as well as the frames and forks. No manufacturing process is so precise as to hit the same number every time. My guess is their 3 sigma range is actually about +/- 5% or 20 g. +/- 15 g or 4% is pretty good. We would all just like to be always minus, never plus. No can do.
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Interesting stuff. You are well on your way. You have to expect some variation of weight in the rims as well as the frames and forks. No manufacturing process is so precise as to hit the same number every time. My guess is their 3 sigma range is actually about +/- 5% or 20 g. +/- 15 g or 4% is pretty good. We would all just like to be always minus, never plus. No can do.
I'm not surprised by the variation in rim weight. Knowing how they are constructed, <5% variation in weight seems pretty darn good. Figured I'd mention it, though.
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Sorry for anyone anxiously awaiting pics of my build. As noted above, I recently welcomed a second child into the world (a son, Ryan) and have had limited time for anything but work, wife, and kids. My time spent on this build has been devoted to figuring out all the missing pieces, which has proven to be more trouble than expected.

First, I ordered my frame with a BB30 bottom bracket so that I could use pretty much any crank. My plan for now is the Chorus 11 crank that came with my groupset. I ordered the appropriate OS-Fit BB cups which I initially assumed press fitted into the frame as-is. Thankfully, I enjoy reading instruction sheets because buried in them was the mention of using 'Seeger' rings with a BB30 shell. 'Seeger' is just a name brand for the internal snap rings that you'd use with bare BB30 bearings, and they are usually included with that kit. Campy for some reason choose not to include them, and neither did Hongfu, but I was able to purchase a set from Wheels Manufacturing for $10.

Second, my frame arrived with no thru-axles (and I've confirmed with Hongfu that this was not a mistake) and thru axle hubs apparently don't come with them either (for good reason, as they are frame/fork specific, not hub specific. Side note: my WHITE Bitex thru axle, centerlock hubs finally did arrive!). After much painful research for which Hongfu was only mildly helpful, I was able to determine that the front fork uses a M15x1.5x125mm long axle and the rear uses a M12x1.5x170mm long axle (e-thru style, no threading on frame/dropout). Not wanting to suffer the weight penalty of 'quick-release' style thru axles, I set off to find low-profile (tool-recess only) axles in these sizes. Amazingly, no one company makes axles to fit both ends, aside from Carbon-Ti but I wasn't about to spend $150 for a pair of axles. I settled for a Rock Shox Maxle Stealth Road for the front and a DT Swiss RWS Plug-In for the rear at $72 for the pair, after 10% discount at Universal Cycles.

Further nickel and diming has come courtesy of my own mistakes. I've decided for now to use the TRP HY/RD levers as they are easier to convert to the lever pull for Campy than the Spyre calipers. I went ahead and designed a new lever arm and had a handful CNC'd. And made a dumb mistake on my design meaning I need to make another set to get fully functional calipers. Ugh.

Still no good pics of anything to share. Hoping to change that soon as I begin to build in earnest. I do need to figure out a simple way to attach my fancy thru axle hubs to my truing stand. I'll probably spend more money there.
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More proof that kids ruin everything.

We will wait for pics ... we understand.
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More proof that kids ruin everything.
They're cute (mine anyway) so I'll forgive them

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We will wait for pics ... we understand.
If nothing else, they will be well-timed with the dead of winter when this place needs some excitement/non-troll threads.
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So you're going with a white and black theme? zzzzzzzzzzzz

Sounds like an interesting build regardless.
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So you're going with a white and black theme? zzzzzzzzzzzz

Sounds like an interesting build regardless.
One man's snoozefest is another man's perfect color combo, regardless of how often it's done I can pretty much guarantee that no one will build a bike identical to mine and that's good enough for me. How many other bikes will have parts from Campy, Shimano, and SRAM on them?
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Thank you, bike industry, for helping me hate my new bike before I even have it together. Ok, it's not that bad but I'm pretty irritated.

I received my thru axles. No issues up front. Axle fits like it should and the specs on the web and those etched into it are really what it is. Thanks, SRAM. Then there is the rear. Based on everything I could find, an e-thru axle for 142mm dropouts should be ~170mm. This matched up great with my frame dimensions. I almost ordered the Shimano AX76 axle as Universal Cycles has it clearly spec'd at 170mm long (https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=42925). But, Jenson showed the DT Swiss standard e-thru axle at 171mm long (DT Swiss RWS E-Thru Axle > Components > Wheel Parts > Thru Axles | Jenson USA) so it should follow that the plug-in style of the DT Swiss e-thru axle would also be that length. Nope. It is 163mm long and won't even begin to engage the threads of the nut. Damn.

So I just ordered the AX76 axle even though I really want a flush-style axle. Of course, I spent 30 more seconds searching Google images after placing that order and found the Ibis Hexle (Hexle ? Ibis Cycles Online Store). Wow, how refreshing. A vendor actually specifying the axle length along with the thread pitch and diameter, you know, the three things that are all critically important for a thru axle to work. Oddly, their '142mm' axle is only 165mm long making it still too short for my frame, so I ordered the '148mm Boost' version instead.

I really, really hope all this info is helpful to someone and/or that it is not already widely known on other forums, because it has been awful to get this sorted out.
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I cannot decide to be glad you are suffering in case I ever want to build up that frame, or that I should take your suffering as a warning and try something else.
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Thank you, bike industry, for helping me hate my new bike before I even have it together. Ok, it's not that bad but I'm pretty irritated.

I received my thru axles. No issues up front. Axle fits like it should and the specs on the web and those etched into it are really what it is. Thanks, SRAM. Then there is the rear. Based on everything I could find, an e-thru axle for 142mm dropouts should be ~170mm. This matched up great with my frame dimensions. I almost ordered the Shimano AX76 axle as Universal Cycles has it clearly spec'd at 170mm long (https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=42925). But, Jenson showed the DT Swiss standard e-thru axle at 171mm long (DT Swiss RWS E-Thru Axle > Components > Wheel Parts > Thru Axles | Jenson USA) so it should follow that the plug-in style of the DT Swiss e-thru axle would also be that length. Nope. It is 163mm long and won't even begin to engage the threads of the nut. Damn.

So I just ordered the AX76 axle even though I really want a flush-style axle. Of course, I spent 30 more seconds searching Google images after placing that order and found the Ibis Hexle (Hexle ? Ibis Cycles Online Store). Wow, how refreshing. A vendor actually specifying the axle length along with the thread pitch and diameter, you know, the three things that are all critically important for a thru axle to work. Oddly, their '142mm' axle is only 165mm long making it still too short for my frame, so I ordered the '148mm Boost' version instead.

I really, really hope all this info is helpful to someone and/or that it is not already widely known on other forums, because it has been awful to get this sorted out.
No offense intended. I really admire your conviction. But, seriously, you have made this build SOOO hard. I hope it all works out well. Nevertheless I am so happy with my standard wheels and caliper brakes. Done and done.
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I meant to ask ... have you been sharing info with the guys over at Weight Weenies? It seems a lot of them are riding or building Chinese carbon.
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I meant to ask ... have you been sharing info with the guys over at Weight Weenies? It seems a lot of them are riding or building Chinese carbon.
Whom are you asking? Just checking.
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I was asking the OP .... I assume you mined Weight Weenies pretty thoroughly before beginning your build, way back when.
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I was asking the OP .... I assume you mined Weight Weenies pretty thoroughly before beginning your build, way back when.
Bueno.

Actually I started accessing WW regularly after my build was done. I acted mostly on rms13's writeups. Did I remember that right?
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No offense intended. I really admire your conviction. But, seriously, you have made this build SOOO hard. I hope it all works out well. Nevertheless I am so happy with my standard wheels and caliper brakes. Done and done.
It's all good. We ride in two very different areas. From what I gather, you rarely exceed 25mph. I can point to several locations on my typical rides where I exceed 35mph, and a few where I break 45mph, and am forced to brake down to 0-10mph from that speed for a stop sign or traffic light. Do that a lot, especially in poor weather, and it kills rims. BTDT.

Yes, I am being totally stubborn about wanting Campy levers, white centerlock hubs, and flush thru-axles. I could be riding this bike by now if only I had gone with Shimano, black hubs, and accepted levers on my thru-axles. It isn't the 'disc brake' part causing the issues, just my uber-pickiness about components.

But, it's all good because in a weird way I find this stuff fun, even if it is irritating at moments. And my time for bike rides has been zilch these days. So I'm not missing out on anything waiting around for my next batch of parts that hopefully fit.
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I cannot decide to be glad you are suffering in case I ever want to build up that frame, or that I should take your suffering as a warning and try something else.
I can tell you exactly what you'll need to buy to build it, now that I'm nearly done. No need to fear anything. I should have proper brake arms for my TRP calipers soon, too, so if you want Campy levers and TRP HY/RD brakes, there'll be an easy solution there as well.

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I meant to ask ... have you been sharing info with the guys over at Weight Weenies? It seems a lot of them are riding or building Chinese carbon.
I have not but perhaps I will. You are right that this info would likely be even more useful to many of those guys.
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