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Old 01-28-20, 08:14 PM
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Thinking of trading my Roll

Anybody ever trade in a bike at a dealer ?
A couple of months ago , I was having trouble with my knees hurting after riding my Specialized Roll , and my crank forward cruiser bikes . I tried adjusting the saddle up and down , but still experienced some knee pain .
Lately , I’ve been riding my old Schwinn Crisscross Hybrid and the knee pain was about 90% gone .
Today I decided to give the Roll a spin . After just a couple miles my knees started bothering me again and I’m sitting here tonight with them aching . I finished up my ride on my Rockhopper.
I think it’s time to say goodbye to the Roll . And maybe the Rockhopper too .
I’m thinking of pulling all of my accessories and putting the Roll and Rockhopper back to factory and taking them to my Specialized dealer and trading them in on a Sirrus .


I’d like to duplicate the fit of my old Schwinn on a new Hybrid , so I’ll have to raise the handlebars on the Sirrus .
I think the Sirrus will be best for me as a daily rider .

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Why not use the crisscross as a daily rider?
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Originally Posted by kirby999 View Post
Anybody ever trade in a bike at a dealer ?
Despite the existence of the Bicycle Blue Book website, there really isn't a lot of reliable material regarding the value of used bikes. It's very dependent on your local market. Most bike shops will aim to offer you about half of what they think they can get for the bike. If they think they can sell it for $300, they may offer you $150. You will very likely be able to sell it locally through Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, etc., and not lose as much money. If you don't have those resources, if your local bike market isn't that strong, or if you just don't want the hassle, selling it to your local bike shop may appeal to you.
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Don't know the seatpost would allow, but have you tried reversing the seatpost so the seat would be closer to the bars, and eliminate some of the "crank forward" geometry?
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Originally Posted by hokiefyd View Post
Despite the existence of the Bicycle Blue Book website, there really isn't a lot of reliable material regarding the value of used bikes. It's very dependent on your local market. Most bike shops will aim to offer you about half of what they think they can get for the bike. If they think they can sell it for $300, they may offer you $150. You will very likely be able to sell it locally through Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, etc., and not lose as much money. If you don't have those resources, if your local bike market isn't that strong, or if you just don't want the hassle, selling it to your local bike shop may appeal to you.
My Specialized dealer has a trade in calculator on their website . Best I could hope for according to that would be about half what I paid for the bikes with them only six months old .
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Originally Posted by freeranger View Post
Don't know the seatpost would allow, but have you tried reversing the seatpost so the seat would be closer to the bars, and eliminate some of the "crank forward" geometry?
Iíll have to give that a try .
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Originally Posted by kirby999 View Post
My Specialized dealer has a trade in calculator on their website . Best I could hope for according to that would be about half what I paid for the bikes with them only six months old .
If you don’t need the money right away, you’ll get much more money for your bike if you sell it privately. Case in point, I sold my 2019 Marin San Rafael DS2 (purchased new in June 2019 for $530 plus tax; Retails for $630) on Facebook marketplace a few weeks ago and got $500 for it. It was in excellent condition though it did have over 600 miles on it. The bicycle blue book trade in value maxed out at $200. To be fair, my Marin was listed on Facebook marketplace, and craigslist, beginning in October 2019, so it was a good three months plus before I sold it. Prior to the sale, I had only received a couple of offers, and none more than $400. I refused to purchase a new bike (Trek Verve 3) until I sold my current one. If you have the time, private sale is definitely the way to go.
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I’d like to keep both bikes if I can get them to where I can ride them without pain .
Im going to try reversing the seat post on the Roll .
The Rockhopper I bought because I love my old Hardrock and wanted an updated version and figured I could raise the bars and Swap out the tires for some Maxxis Hookworms and be set .
I wound up having to cut 2” off the seatpost to get The seat low enough my legs weren’t straight when at the low point peddling . With the 29” wheels it still feels like I’m having to climb up onto the bike .
I have a new set of 700 wheels I’d bought for the Schwinn that are disc compatible that I could mount some 700x40 tires and use on the Rockhopper. I think that should lower the height of the bike some , maybe enough to where I don’t feel like I’m sitting on a perch riding .
I hate to loose that much money on the bikes .
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Originally Posted by freeranger View Post
Don't know the seatpost would allow, but have you tried reversing the seatpost so the seat would be closer to the bars, and eliminate some of the "crank forward" geometry?
Well I just got back from a cold 4.1 mile ride around the neighborhood on the Roll
I got to looking at the seat and noticed I had it all the way back , so I adjusted forward close to two inches . I had to adjust the handlebars forward to increase the reach so it felt comfortable, but the good news is my knees are ok with this setup.
Going to need to try it a few times before Iím convinced itís going to be ok , but right now itís looking good .
Thanks for the advise !
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Glad the adjustment helped on the Roll--sure is cheaper than losing money selling or trading the bike! Maybe try it on the Rockhopper also?
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For now , I’ve decided to keep the Roll and the Rockhopper. I will continue to work on the Rockhopper as a hybrid.
I’ve updated both my Schwinn Crisscross and Crosscut . The Crosscut is now a smooth shifting 3x8 with new Shimano V-Brakes . Rides and feels like a new bike .

BTW , in case anyone is interested . I tried some 26” wheels with 26x2.5” Maxxis Hookworms on my 29” Rockhopper the other day , just out of curiosity. Trying to lower the overall feel of the bike . Which it did and riding paved paths and street riding I didn’t see any problem with the pedal height . It would have worked except the handling got squirrelly. Front end was very twitchy . Even tried a 29 up front and 26 in the rear . That felt weird .
so I guess it’ll stay a 29er for now . It’s great for running over curbs and I don’t have to worry about hanging up on the road gutter where the curb and road meet . The 2.5” Maxxis turn the Rockhopper into Jeep


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I'm surprised that The Roll hurts your knees when you ride. Do you have a lot of hills in your area? Cool that you moved the seat forward and that seemed to help your knees. Good thing you don't have an Electra Townie as they are a lot more foot forward than the Rolls are.
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I Changed a few things on my Roll today . Removed most of the red accessories, going ď Back To Black ď . Except the saddle , it an aged Brooks B-67 . Iím hoping itíll get a little darker the more I use it and rub some Proofide on it once the weather starts warming up . .after .



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kirby999 great looking Roll. The Brooks saddle is a nice touch as the color looks great on your black bike.
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Obviously your RockHopper is too new. Have you thought about getting a bike fitting?


Pretty Purple Princess Penelope, never quite finished.

Also, this might help explain some of your handling issues.

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Originally Posted by Korina View Post
Obviously your RockHopper is too new. Have you thought about getting a bike fitting?


Pretty Purple Princess Penelope, never quite finished.

Also, this might help explain some of your handling issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7D1XhoZ90E&t=1s
The Rockhopper is new . It’s a 2020 . I bought it because I love my old Hardrock ( similar to your Rockhopper) so much and wanted a new bike that was similar. WRONG ! The new mountain bikes are a totally different bike . I don’t see how anyone could comfortably ride a new mountain bike . I guess they gotten too specific in their function.
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The new mountain bikes are a totally different bike . I donít see how anyone could comfortably ride a new mountain bike . I guess they gotten too specific in their function.
We are in the age of specialization.

Pics of your old HardRock?
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Originally Posted by Korina View Post
We are in the age of specialization.

Pics of your old HardRock?
Here she is . This is before I completed my brake swap , cantis over to V-Brakes . I plan on swapping out the cassette and chain soon . I got s3veral projects going on at the same time , that are waiting on several days of dry warm weather .
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And an update on my Specialized Roll .
I swapped out my chainring from a 42 tooth to a 36 tooth a few days ago.
Took it on a 10.6 mile ride today . .
The Roll is now geared low enough to take on the hills around where I live.

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Here she is . This is before I completed my brake swap , cantis over to V-Brakes . I plan on swapping out the cassette and chain soon . I got s3veral projects going on at the same time , that are waiting on several days of dry warm weather .
Sweet. Love the blue. May I ask why you're going with V's over cantis?
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Sweet. Love the blue. May I ask why you're going with V's over cantis?
V-brakes take less grip to operate and for me , stop better .
I have arthritis in both hands especially my left and V-brake are so much easier for me to use .
I bought one front brake to begin with to test them out and I couldnít believe the difference.
with the cantilever brakes , Iíd tried everything to get them to work better . New cables , new levers , kool stop brake pads . Greasing the arms . Even cleaning the wheels with a green scrub pad .
The Cantis still weíre hard to pull and the bike would slow to a stop . Now I can two finger lockup the wheels .
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The Cantis still weíre hard to pull and the bike would slow to a stop . Now I can two finger lockup the wheels .
You should be able to do that with traditional cantilever brakes, too. My 750 has Tektro CR510 cantilevers and they're the lightest-feeling brakes I own, with the possible exception of the hydraulic discs on my primary bike. I suspect something else may have been wrong with your specific situation, such as perhaps the geometry of the straddle cable.

(Which, by the way, is one of the advantages of linear pull brakes, and part of the reason why traditional cantilever brakes almost fell off the map, at least on new bikes. No need for straddle cables!)
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Originally Posted by hokiefyd View Post
You should be able to do that with traditional cantilever brakes, too. My 750 has Tektro CR510 cantilevers and they're the lightest-feeling brakes I own, with the possible exception of the hydraulic discs on my primary bike. I suspect something else may have been wrong with your specific situation, such as perhaps the geometry of the straddle cable.

(Which, by the way, is one of the advantages of linear pull brakes, and part of the reason why traditional cantilever brakes almost fell off the map, at least on new bikes. No need for straddle cables!)
I’m not going to disagree with you , but on three of my bikes I had the same problem and with a switch over to V-brakes cured my problems.
i could never get the cantis to work for me .

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Originally Posted by kirby999 View Post
V-brakes take less grip to operate and for me , stop better .
I have arthritis in both hands especially my left and V-brake are so much easier for me to use .
I bought one front brake to begin with to test them out and I couldnít believe the difference.
with the cantilever brakes , Iíd tried everything to get them to work better . New cables , new levers , kool stop brake pads . Greasing the arms . Even cleaning the wheels with a green scrub pad .
The Cantis still weíre hard to pull and the bike would slow to a stop . Now I can two finger lockup the wheels .
I'm glad they work for you. But please don't lock up your wheels, bad things happen.
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I'm glad they work for you. But please don't lock up your wheels, bad things happen.
no need to worry.
just using that to show how much better my brakes are now .
. I donít go around locking up my wheels when braking.
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