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Should all E-bike threads be moved to Electric Bikes forum?
07-31-23, 08:01 AM
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I don't know where you got the notion anyone here has contempt for ebikes, or mopeds for that matter. Personally, I like almost anything on wheels, motor or not. Human powered bikes aren't necessarily superior to motorized bikes, whether ebike or gas powered. Different doesn't have to mean better or worse. I'm going to exit now, seems we are just going in circles.
07-31-23, 08:07 AM
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I don't know where you got the notion anyone here has contempt for ebikes, or mopeds for that matter. Personally, I like almost anything on wheels, motor or not. Human powered bikes aren't necessarily superior to motorized bikes, whether ebike or gas powered. Different doesn't have to mean better or worse. I'm going to exit now, seems we are just going in circles.
Everyone admits that e-bikes allow you to ride beyond your abilities. If you want to ride faster or with less effort by putting a motor on your bike, no one can stop you. Most e-bikes are de jure classified as bicycles as a result of the lobbying efforts of the bicycle industry. But the fact is that e-bikes have motors that in part or in whole propel the rider. Threads about using tire levers, chain lube, brake levers, etc. can reside wherever. But e-bike threads IMO, belong in the electric bike forum. Most people don’t care and the voter turnout reflects that. A few of us are disgusted by the idea that riding a motorized bike is equivalent to riding a bicycle. I recently overheard a conversation in my neighborhood where one set of parents exclaimed to another’s child who had just received a new e-bike, “That’s a nice bicycle.” Some BF think it’s fine that we contribute to this new normal. I think it’s disgusting.
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07-31-23, 10:31 AM
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A few of us are disgusted by the idea that riding a motorized bike is equivalent to riding a bicycle. I recently overheard a conversation in my neighborhood where one set of parents exclaimed to another’s child who had just received a new e-bike, “That’s a nice bicycle.” Some BF think it’s fine that we contribute to this new normal. I think it’s disgusting.
07-31-23, 10:58 AM
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Where do E-Bike threads belong? - E-Bike threads can reside anywhere because they are Bicycles...
I have a hard time calling this a bicycle. It should probably be in the Motorcycle Forum.
UBCO e-bike
But either way I like the fact that all are welcome on this friendly forum. Accept for maybe the Call Girl posts... And just where did they go? Ha...
I have a hard time calling this a bicycle. It should probably be in the Motorcycle Forum.
UBCO e-bike
But either way I like the fact that all are welcome on this friendly forum. Accept for maybe the Call Girl posts... And just where did they go? Ha...
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07-31-23, 11:17 AM
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actually, he’s disgustedby them! personally i can imagine such a privileged life that i have the mental energy to be so worked up about such a thing, but that goes for a lot of things online, i suppose.
07-31-23, 11:18 AM
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pretty sure that vehicle would not meet any of the definitions of an e-bike in the united states! appears to be >750w, no pedals, probably goes >20mph?
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07-31-23, 11:37 AM
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Where do E-Bike threads belong? - E-Bike threads can reside anywhere because they are Bicycles...
I have a hard time calling this a bicycle. It should probably be in the Motorcycle Forum.
But either way I like the fact that all are welcome on this friendly forum. Accept for maybe the Call Girl posts... And just where did they go? Ha...
I have a hard time calling this a bicycle. It should probably be in the Motorcycle Forum.
But either way I like the fact that all are welcome on this friendly forum. Accept for maybe the Call Girl posts... And just where did they go? Ha...
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07-31-23, 12:56 PM
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Where do E-Bike threads belong? - E-Bike threads can reside anywhere because they are Bicycles...
I have a hard time calling this a bicycle. It should probably be in the Motorcycle Forum.
UBCO e-bike
But either way I like the fact that all are welcome on this friendly forum. Accept for maybe the Call Girl posts... And just where did they go? Ha...
I have a hard time calling this a bicycle. It should probably be in the Motorcycle Forum.
UBCO e-bike
But either way I like the fact that all are welcome on this friendly forum. Accept for maybe the Call Girl posts... And just where did they go? Ha...
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07-31-23, 01:34 PM
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Law enforcement claims they cannot distinguish between class 1, 2, or 3. This claim contradicts state law mandating e-bikes to be labeled. So pedals or no pedals, 750 or 1750 watts, they are all e-bikes. Trekalized focus groups suggested that reasonable old people speeds of 12mph would not sell - hence the 28mph limit for C3 and the easy software override of lower limits for C1 and C2. Any thing goes. Law enforcement is depending on education to limit the conflicts created by allowing motor vehicles to share bicycle infrastructure. (That is straight from the Chiefs of our LEOs.)
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07-31-23, 02:48 PM
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I would like to see them banned (the discussion/arguments, not the bikes). But since I know that is not possible all love and hate for e-bikes should have its own forum.
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07-31-23, 04:01 PM
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Oh how things evolve... In my generation it was 10 speeds to 24 speeds, cottered cranks to square tapper, then tubes and tubeless with a healthy mix of brifters, suspension, disk brakes, bikes with motors, engines and batteries, lions, tigers and bears... Oh My!
OK... we have got room for um all. It's not so much the bikeforums leaving e-bikes but maybe the e-bikes leaving bikeforums as they evolve into something else other then motorcycles or bicycles.
For the record I have a motorcycle history that is only predated by bicycles by a few years...
OK... we have got room for um all. It's not so much the bikeforums leaving e-bikes but maybe the e-bikes leaving bikeforums as they evolve into something else other then motorcycles or bicycles.
For the record I have a motorcycle history that is only predated by bicycles by a few years...
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07-31-23, 04:01 PM
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Everyone admits that e-bikes allow you to ride beyond your abilities. If you want to ride faster or with less effort by putting a motor on your bike, no one can stop you. Most e-bikes are de jure classified as bicycles as a result of the lobbying efforts of the bicycle industry. But the fact is that e-bikes have motors that in part or in whole propel the rider. Threads about using tire levers, chain lube, brake levers, etc. can reside wherever. But e-bike threads IMO, belong in the electric bike forum. Most people don’t care and the voter turnout reflects that. A few of us are disgusted by the idea that riding a motorized bike is equivalent to riding a bicycle. I recently overheard a conversation in my neighborhood where one set of parents exclaimed to another’s child who had just received a new e-bike, “That’s a nice bicycle.” Some BF think it’s fine that we contribute to this new normal. I think it’s disgusting.
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07-31-23, 06:24 PM
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My question is why is this posted on 50+ and not on General? I would think this issue concerns more than us old dudes.
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08-01-23, 07:37 AM
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My concern was the normalization of electric motor powered bikes and bicycles. If a 50+ who is a new or returning cyclist, discovers BFs and comes here for guidance or advice on getting along with CYCLING, they shouldn’t be advised to get an electric bike — in my opinion. We should be promoting the beauty and benefits of cycling. If they scan the threads and see e-bike threads here and there, they could easily interpret that electric motors are an option like raising their handle bars.
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08-01-23, 07:59 AM
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Why would it be wrong for someone to suggest a e-bike if they feel it suits the OP's needs? Your puritanical belief makes it seem like the OP will immediately be swayed by the few recommendations for a e-bike over the many other recommendations others will give.
08-01-23, 08:00 AM
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Ask a question here and you'll get an answer mostly coming from experience, or a though provoking counter question or opinion, again from experience. The general section post will give you a 'why are you doing that? You should do this.' response.
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08-01-23, 08:17 AM
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@bikeleo post your e-bike question in the electric bike forum.
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08-01-23, 08:54 AM
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Whether we like them or not, want them isolated or not, foresee one in our future or not, or vote yes/no, they are here and in the wild. On the trails, bike lanes, roads, and parks around us, and more are coming.
Some will be indistinguishable from muscle powered bikes. That, I think, is where the rub is. That will have interesting impacts on the competitive aspects of recreational cycling. The degree to which people have ego and identity wrapped up in relative performance at all levels of cycling capability is surely not lost on everyone here.
It will also present significant challenges to the lowest level of organized cycling, which will be unable to detect motorized cheating. It's just going to happen. The real downside to me isn't that someone will ride a brevet with a motor, it's that that practice will throw everyone's results into question.
Some will be indistinguishable from muscle powered bikes. That, I think, is where the rub is. That will have interesting impacts on the competitive aspects of recreational cycling. The degree to which people have ego and identity wrapped up in relative performance at all levels of cycling capability is surely not lost on everyone here.
It will also present significant challenges to the lowest level of organized cycling, which will be unable to detect motorized cheating. It's just going to happen. The real downside to me isn't that someone will ride a brevet with a motor, it's that that practice will throw everyone's results into question.
08-01-23, 11:10 AM
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My concern was the normalization of electric motor powered bikes and bicycles. If a 50+ who is a new or returning cyclist, discovers BFs and comes here for guidance or advice on getting along with CYCLING, they shouldn’t be advised to get an electric bike — in my opinion. We should be promoting the beauty and benefits of cycling. If they scan the threads and see e-bike threads here and there, they could easily interpret that electric motors are an option like raising their handle bars.
08-01-23, 02:14 PM
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Perhaps it might be useful to look at the words that Joe and I wrote at the beginning of this sub-forum many years ago. Does the purpose of the forum encourage or discourage the inclusion of e-bikes?
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08-01-23, 03:48 PM
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08-01-23, 03:53 PM
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What I can say is that all the riders I’ve come across recently on e-bikes (as in pedal assisted e-road bikes) would have qualified for the 50+ forum. The one riding friend I know who has one (alongside his normal road bike) has just turned 56. So they are relevant to this forum population.
08-01-23, 08:02 PM
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Well, I think all you roadies with your fancy shmancy multi-speed bikes are a bunch of sissies. Real cyclists ride singlespeed or fixed gear bikes. 
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08-01-23, 10:41 PM
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I'm staying out of the discussion.
Will be posting far less in 50+, I'm too open minded for that demographic. And I like variety.
Hope this sentiment doesn't carry to C&V - where brifter bikes are not openly admonished.
If one wants to make the rules - have the cajonés to belly-up to Moderator. Otherwise, I say, Stop the Whinging.
Will be posting far less in 50+, I'm too open minded for that demographic. And I like variety.
Hope this sentiment doesn't carry to C&V - where brifter bikes are not openly admonished.
If one wants to make the rules - have the cajonés to belly-up to Moderator. Otherwise, I say, Stop the Whinging.
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I'm split on this one. I want to say no if it is not e-bike specific. But don't care for the bickering that seems to happen, regardless of whether or not it's e-bike specific, between those dedicated to leg power and those who ride an e-bike. Regardless of subject matter, more times than not it seems to degrade to an "us vs. them" type of discussion (debate?). In case you're wondering, at 72 I'm still relying on leg power (tho not as much power as used to be!!). If you prefer an e-bike, that's ok with me. To each their own. I figure maybe if it was in the e-bike specific forum, maybe there would be less bickering, as perhaps those who don't care for e-bikes may not venture there.
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