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Avocet saddle too! Straight out of the heartland...I think you're going to like it. Coincidentally I'm just creating a post about the Super Course I picked up for my son this past weekend.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that frame was originally meant to be a Competition. The lugwork, forged dropouts and short top tube seem out of place in a Carlton Super Course. It may even have Reynolds stays. From a distance, the fork ends look stamped and have a Vagner crown which would be consistant with a SC.
You may have a rare hybrid!
You may have a rare hybrid!
However, the catalog page above doesn't mention the Competiton Mk II being available in this 25 1/2 inch size.
I'll check the seat post diameter later today. Maybe that will tell us more.
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Thanks! I have yet to check what hanger shape I actually have here, but as I like Huret, the outcome is never going to be a problem, or even a disappointment.
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BTW, what's the deal with this Avocet saddle? Any reason not to replace it with a nicely-worn Brooks?
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I haven't even started!
TBH, I haven't even checked whether the seat post is stuck or not. I just bought it from the seller's pics, believing that the worst case scenario would be to have bought a fairly expensive Stronglight crankset and some Jubilee spare parts.
TBH, I haven't even checked whether the seat post is stuck or not. I just bought it from the seller's pics, believing that the worst case scenario would be to have bought a fairly expensive Stronglight crankset and some Jubilee spare parts.
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Laying idle in the Pacific Northwest would explain the rust and oxidization for sure. I'm sure you'll check inside the frame for signs of corrosion internally, hopefully nothing serious. Avocet saddles were well-made and popular, considered to be one of the better non-leather saddles in their day. If Brooks is your preference there's no advantage to the Avocet.
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I'm not surprised at the Prugnat 62 BIS lugs though. The 1974 and 1975 catalogs show them (as does '76, which reuses the '75 SC Mk.II picture), and they also show a Huret Challenger at the back end. At most, the factory subbed a pair of dropouts from the Competition parts pile. It'd explain the size too, given that no Competitions in 25.5" would have been hanging awaiting paint.
For all we know, the Jubilee might have been an owner upgrade. Or equal-or-better parts substitution given the dropout swap. I find it interesting that a bit of Grand Sport got into the mix too, given the Stronglight crankset. Another question of "factory swap or owner substitution?"
My biggest worry is that the seatpost and stem will come out for you (!)
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My eyes are drawn to the boldly dimensioned dork disc and (Wiccan?) pentagram on the crankset.
I'd be tempted to replace and maintain where necessary, but avoid anything cosmetic. This could be the (covertly excellent) ratbike par excellence, to be ridden with pride wherever the Rapha-clad gather. Savour the horrified reactions, and let them eat your dust.
I'd be tempted to replace and maintain where necessary, but avoid anything cosmetic. This could be the (covertly excellent) ratbike par excellence, to be ridden with pride wherever the Rapha-clad gather. Savour the horrified reactions, and let them eat your dust.
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You've found the bike of my youth!
Except my SC MkII didn't have an integrated derailleur hanger. Although Raleigh mixed and matched components willy-nilly, the OP's drivetrain is almost certainly an upgrade, just as mine was 45 years ago.
I currently have a 25" SC with integrated derailleur hanger in the Atelier for a future 1X conversion, but it's green. I subconsciously chose the red and white scheme when I had Ed Litton paint my first 650b conversion, torched up by Peter Weigle.
Except my SC MkII didn't have an integrated derailleur hanger. Although Raleigh mixed and matched components willy-nilly, the OP's drivetrain is almost certainly an upgrade, just as mine was 45 years ago.
I currently have a 25" SC with integrated derailleur hanger in the Atelier for a future 1X conversion, but it's green. I subconsciously chose the red and white scheme when I had Ed Litton paint my first 650b conversion, torched up by Peter Weigle.
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Many people do not realize that by 1980 or so, you literally could not give away a leather saddle. They were seen as archaic by nearly everyone. It's a little funny to see them on bikes from that era, rebuilt as 'classic'.
Avocet were the dominant saddle in the American market from the late 70s until the early 90s. For the most part, they are simply rebranded Selle Italia models, at least for the first few years. I suspect some may have been sourced from San Marco. Towards the end, who knows where they came from...
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Just thought I'd share what I use to buff aluminum and chromed steel bike parts. The wheel is stainless steel and has .006" diameter crimped bristles. The thicker .010" bristle is too stiff, I only use it for bare steel. The wheel is mounted in an old Shop-Smith set to the lowest speed. Mounting this type of wheel directly to a motor will work, but the speed will be too fast. Slower speeds work well and are much safer (ALWAYS WEAR SAFETY GLASSES).
https://www.mcmaster.com/wire-wheels...r~0-625inches/
https://www.mcmaster.com/wire-wheels...r~0-625inches/
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I am with you there. All of my bikes are Huret equipped - the '73 Super Course has Huret Luxe (borrowed from my wife's '70 Super Course mixte), my Super Course Mk II has Huret Challenger, and my Raleigh International has Huret Success rear derailleur and levers.
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Just thought I'd share what I use to buff aluminum and chromed steel bike parts. The wheel is stainless steel and has .006" diameter crimped bristles. The thicker .010" bristle is too stiff, I only use it for bare steel. The wheel is mounted in an old Shop-Smith set to the lowest speed. Mounting this type of wheel directly to a motor will work, but the speed will be too fast. Slower speeds work well and are much safer (ALWAYS WEAR SAFETY GLASSES).
https://www.mcmaster.com/wire-wheels...r~0-625inches/
https://www.mcmaster.com/wire-wheels...r~0-625inches/
I've been reading the forums, and the suggestion for chrome seems to be either just metal polish, or using brass wool, or some suggested crumpled aluminum foil as a soft scrubber.
I've got a fork and frame with socks that need cleanup.
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That looks WAY too aggressive - and even if it works, that's definitely not what I'd rely on entirely for a final finish. Ray Dobbins did a fairly indepth article on this:
About Polishing Aluminum
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Concur with the idea that the fork is conventional Super Course - thought so ever since I saw the Vagner DP fork crown.
I'm not surprised at the Prugnat 62 BIS lugs though. The 1974 and 1975 catalogs show them (as does '76, which reuses the '75 SC Mk.II picture), and they also show a Huret Challenger at the back end. At most, the factory subbed a pair of dropouts from the Competition parts pile. It'd explain the size too, given that no Competitions in 25.5" would have been hanging awaiting paint.
For all we know, the Jubilee might have been an owner upgrade. Or equal-or-better parts substitution given the dropout swap. I find it interesting that a bit of Grand Sport got into the mix too, given the Stronglight crankset. Another question of "factory swap or owner substitution?"
My biggest worry is that the seatpost and stem will come out for you (!)
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I'm not surprised at the Prugnat 62 BIS lugs though. The 1974 and 1975 catalogs show them (as does '76, which reuses the '75 SC Mk.II picture), and they also show a Huret Challenger at the back end. At most, the factory subbed a pair of dropouts from the Competition parts pile. It'd explain the size too, given that no Competitions in 25.5" would have been hanging awaiting paint.
For all we know, the Jubilee might have been an owner upgrade. Or equal-or-better parts substitution given the dropout swap. I find it interesting that a bit of Grand Sport got into the mix too, given the Stronglight crankset. Another question of "factory swap or owner substitution?"
My biggest worry is that the seatpost and stem will come out for you (!)
-Kurt
And thanks for your concern, but - surprisingly - the seat post came out in five seconds.
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You've found the bike of my youth!
Except my SC MkII didn't have an integrated derailleur hanger. Although Raleigh mixed and matched components willy-nilly, the OP's drivetrain is almost certainly an upgrade, just as mine was 45 years ago.
I currently have a 25" SC with integrated derailleur hanger in the Atelier for a future 1X conversion, but it's green. I subconsciously chose the red and white scheme when I had Ed Litton paint my first 650b conversion, torched up by Peter Weigle.
Except my SC MkII didn't have an integrated derailleur hanger. Although Raleigh mixed and matched components willy-nilly, the OP's drivetrain is almost certainly an upgrade, just as mine was 45 years ago.
I currently have a 25" SC with integrated derailleur hanger in the Atelier for a future 1X conversion, but it's green. I subconsciously chose the red and white scheme when I had Ed Litton paint my first 650b conversion, torched up by Peter Weigle.
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Laying idle in the Pacific Northwest would explain the rust and oxidization for sure. I'm sure you'll check inside the frame for signs of corrosion internally, hopefully nothing serious. Avocet saddles were well-made and popular, considered to be one of the better non-leather saddles in their day. If Brooks is your preference there's no advantage to the Avocet.
And thank you for the feedback on the saddle. Much appreciated!
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Funny thing, as much as they look fantastic on an English bike, I never could get used to them on Paramounts. That's probably because the Nervex Pros are so synonymous with 'em.
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Ha! Us Dutchies are way to cheap to buy into the Rapha concept. The few times I've seen a Rapha-clad figure in these parts it was invariably a foreigner. But I get what you mean, and yes, I would enjoy that. They'd have to be pretty hopeless to have to eat my dust, though.
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Oh, BTW, it was a 26.4.
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I'm surprised that doesn't strip chrome off. Does it leave a brushed finish, or the mirror chrome surface?
I've been reading the forums, and the suggestion for chrome seems to be either just metal polish, or using brass wool, or some suggested crumpled aluminum foil as a soft scrubber.
I've got a fork and frame with socks that need cleanup.
I've been reading the forums, and the suggestion for chrome seems to be either just metal polish, or using brass wool, or some suggested crumpled aluminum foil as a soft scrubber.
I've got a fork and frame with socks that need cleanup.
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That looks WAY too aggressive - and even if it works, that's definitely not what I'd rely on entirely for a final finish. Ray Dobbins did a fairly indepth article on this:
About Polishing Aluminum
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Polishing metal or plastic or whatever is the process of removing material, or leveling the surface. The smoother the surface is, the shinier it gets.
Here's a crank I did a couple of weeks ago. It was scratched, dented and the anodizing was worn off where the toe straps rubbed.
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My apologies to non-fixie , I don't want to derail this thread, just sharing my experiences of restoring old road bikes and encourage anyone to re-use as many of the original parts as you can...
one last example...
one last example...