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Old 07-20-20, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pcampeau
Super Inter Course?
8 out of 10 Mad Men say sex sells.
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Originally Posted by gugie
Neal, c'mon. You should know better.

Raleigh mixed and matched so many bits that maybe that fortnight most went out with sloping crowns.
Well, true, in the dozen or so Super Courses that have passed through my hands and the many more I’ve seen online, I’ve never seen one with an OEM sloping fork crown. But I’d bet that they are out there.
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Originally Posted by gugie
8 out of 10 Mad Men say sex sells.
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I appreciate the builds that folks put together where everything matches or is from the same era. I, however, don't have the patience or inclination to build my bikes like that. I build them what I have or with something that catches my eye on ebay or here in the for sale section. My Super Course has the 27" wheelset from my 85 Schwinn Voyageur with Sansin hubs, a Sugino 600 triple crankset, a shimano Deer head front derailleur, Tiagra rear derailleur, Shimano Golden Arrow clamp on down tube shifters and Weinmann 610 centerpulls. It rides great.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
Tempting, but I've got a couple of sets like that on the shelf. It doesn't help my efforts to reduce the number of bikes in the garage.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K
Tempting, but I've got a couple of sets like that on the shelf. It doesn't help my efforts to reduce the number of bikes in the garage.
Well, clearly you need this too to hang some of those parts on: https://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/bo...162852392.html
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Originally Posted by gugie

photo and constructeur work courtesy of Peter Weigle
Reminds me of Keith Anderson's "Freddy Mertz" tribute bike:

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Originally Posted by nlerner
Well, true, in the dozen or so Super Courses that have passed through my hands and the many more I’ve seen online, I’ve never seen one with an OEM sloping fork crown. But I’d bet that they are out there.
I think the giveaway is hanging on the rear dropout in the photo at the link below. The Weigle 650B Intercourse is indeed based on a Raleigh Competition. No "Inter", no "Course", a complete fraud


https://www.flickr.com/photos/citize...ery/4682906660
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Originally Posted by daka
I think the giveaway is hanging on the rear dropout in the photo at the link below. The Weigle 650B Intercourse is indeed based on a Raleigh Competition. No "Inter", no "Course", a complete fraud
https://www.flickr.com/photos/citize...ery/4682906660
Now THAT's some first class sleuthing! 4 o'clock FTW!
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
Reminds me of Keith Anderson's "Freddy Mertz" tribute bike:

A riding partner for this Martini:

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Originally Posted by nlerner
And here I thought @RobbieTunes told us you needed to have a Centurion Ironman to get that kind of attention.
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Originally Posted by daka
Just askin', but imagine you had a straight but cosmetically challenged '74 Raleigh International frame and fork in your size but didn't have a garage full of Campagnolo Nuovo Record components to build it up into a functioning bike. Also imagine that, as a longtime accumulator of Raleigh Super Course bikes and pieces, you did have enough Super Course stuff to build the aforementioned International frameset into a rideable machine. Would you be sent immediately to the Spanish Inquisition thread for creating an International with a complement of french components rather than Italian? Build and be banished? Or leave an International frameset to collect dust while hanging in a dark corner?
You don't ride the components. Frame quality and how it fits you will influence the characteristics of the ride, components influence the functionality of the bike.
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So now we have an intercourse competition. What's the trophy look like?
A giant ThornHub medal, brought to you by the competition's sponsor, Mr. Tuffy.

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Fit is a big part of the motivation to build this bike. While I have enjoyed my several Super Courses over the last couple decades, the Super Course was available in two inch increments in the frame size. I'm a little crowded on a 21.5 inch frame and the 23.5 inch achieves standover height only because the Super Course has such a low bottom bracket. Internationals, on the other hand, came in one inch increments and the 22.5 inch is a perfect fit for me as I found out when I bought one a couple years ago. So what I am thinking about is building my spare 22.5" International frame and fork to take over the role of this Super Course Mk II, but maybe with a slightly wider gear range (32t low instead of 28t).
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Originally Posted by gugie
Originally Posted by nlerner
And here I thought @RobbieTunes told us you needed to have a Centurion Ironman to get that kind of attention.
Would someone kindly tell me what the hell I'm doing wrong?











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Old 07-20-20, 10:57 PM
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I did ride my bike to Paradise through Intercourse

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Originally Posted by cudak888
Would someone kindly tell me what the hell I'm doing wrong?
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You have to come right out and say it, "I love it when you touch my Twenty."
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Originally Posted by branko_76
You don't ride the components. Frame quality and how it fits you will influence the characteristics of the ride, components influence the functionality of the bike.
Why do so many people not understand this?
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Except for wheelset, tires, tubes, handlebars, handlebar tape, stem, brake levers, saddle, seatpost...

To say components have no influence on the ride of a bike is a silly blanket statement.
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Dang Kurt! Quit hogging all the Raleigh Twenties. What did the white frame turn into?

Love that orange model, what year was that?
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I've also got a '69 Competition (the "pre-International International") with a mix of SunTour, Specialized, and Tektro components.

Huh. I have what I thought was a ‘71 International that’s a visual match for your competition, importantly including the fork crown. Also the stays and the Anniversary badge. Well, except for the gugificazione on mine. I get ‘71 (maybe late ‘70) from my F507 S/N and here: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroraleighs/dating.html More Sheldon on ‘70-71 Internationals, different fork crown (not that means much with Raleigh). https://www.sheldonbrown.com/retrora...rnational.html

Curious on what your S/N is and how you determined it’s a Competition. Original paint and decals? Mine of course is not...

Bringing this home from the thread drift...I say build it and ride it. Make the decals. One of the nice things about these Raleighs is how many hats (and components) they can wear. No Spanish Inquisitors nor silly British comedy troupes have come knocking for me yet.

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Mine of course is not...
Question - what tires and fenders/fender size?

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Question - what tires and fenders/fender size?

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Sure thing,

Tires: Compass Babyshoe Pass EL 650b x 42 mm
Fenders: Lefol Le Martele, I get around 60+ mm width on the calipers
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Build it as you like, as you can with what's on hand, or to suit your riding pleasure. From original-ish speedy road bike to restomod all-roads rider to IGH urban gentleman the International can take it, and should. Don't leave it to collect dust!


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I love the Chartreuse color used on the earlier Internationals. Both of mine are Champagne, which is a pleasant enough color but is a bit subdued to my taste.

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