Very sad event
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IF alcohol, or drugs, or even a recumbent was in use at the time of the sad event it might upon investigation be considered a "contributing factor" or be relevant in court. None of those factors or any other potential contributing factor has been revealed on this thread, nobody on this thread is "the court", and your personal experience with cell phone use while driving is irrelevant.
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There are zero details of that accident in that article and somehow that didn't serve to prevent this thread from becoming a diatribe about cellphone use while driving. Every accident is not caused by cellphone use! There is even the possibility (gasp) that the cyclist is at least partly responsible. That rig does not inspire confidence actually. [emphasis mine] Have y'all's already forgotten what happens when you jump off the diving board without checking if there is water in the swimming pool? That locked thread isn't that far below this one. Someone get some facts before this gets any uglier is my advice.
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Yeah. Let’s forget that whole states’ rights idea and allow the federal government to legislate all areas.
I’m pretty certain the federal government cannot impose sentencing laws for state crimes, especially when using a phone while driving isn’t a crime in many states. Is there even one state that completely bans phone use while driving?
I’m pretty certain the federal government cannot impose sentencing laws for state crimes, especially when using a phone while driving isn’t a crime in many states. Is there even one state that completely bans phone use while driving?
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I don't think any of these points are debatable:
It's very sad that he got killed.
Distracted driving is bad.
We don't know whether or not the driver was distracted or anything else about the cause of this crash.
Everything else in this thread is just pointless noise.
It's very sad that he got killed.
Distracted driving is bad.
We don't know whether or not the driver was distracted or anything else about the cause of this crash.
Everything else in this thread is just pointless noise.
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Yeah, we need an obituary sub-forum.
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I hear you. When I was touring in SD I came out of the trees after a nature break and saw a guy nearly lose it in a curve. He was looking at his phone. Probably checking all the texts he couldn’t read while in the canyon area we had just emerged from. Crazy thing is that, despite avoiding disaster, he was still looking at his phone as he passed me standing in the grass.
They could be watching cat videos.
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Driver was arrested 7 days ago.
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EDITOR’S NOTE: An earlier version of this story misidentified the fatal crash as involving a different Adams Run incident. The incident in question happened on Sept. 4 on Mitchell Road.
I think I'd avoid riding somewhere where they can't keep track of which driver killed which cyclist.
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IMHO What really needs to happen is that phone screens need to become more integrated with cars to the point where a received text message is displayed in a heads up display on the windshield, and steering wheels will have big Yes/No buttons right on them to allow a driver to respond to a text easily without taking their eyes and hands off the road to search for a tiny button on a phone's screen. And possibly even have a keyboard built into the backside of the steering wheel where your finger tips are to allow for easier typing. Instead of fighting this senseless war on text messaging, we needs to facilitate a fix for the the actual problem, which is drivers taking their eyes off the road.
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IMHO What really needs to happen is that phone screens need to become more integrated with cars to the point where a received text message is displayed in a heads up display on the windshield, and steering wheels will have big Yes/No buttons right on them to allow a driver to respond to a text easily without taking their eyes and hands off the road to search for a tiny button on a phone's screen. And possibly even have a keyboard built into the backside of the steering wheel where your finger tips are to allow for easier typing. Instead of fighting this senseless war on text messaging, we needs to facilitate a fix for the the actual problem, which is drivers taking their eyes off the road.
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The longer people like you make light of the fixes needed to make texting and driving easier and safer for the driver, the more the deaths will continue to pile up. The war on drugs didn't work, and the war on texting while driving will fail also. It took 30-40 years to make pot legal, hopefully we don't take as long to legalize texting and driving, which should bring some innovations in safety features.
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Aren’t there more appropriate places for this “enlightening discussion?”
Ava has returned home along with Kristopher Cotton’s ashes.
Say their names.
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Ava has returned home along with Kristopher Cotton’s ashes.
Say their names.
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The longer people like you make light of the fixes needed to make texting and driving easier and safer for the driver, the more the deaths will continue to pile up. The war on drugs didn't work, and the war on texting while driving will fail also. It took 30-40 years to make pot legal, hopefully we don't take as long to legalize texting and driving, which should bring some innovations in safety features.
And sorry, your technical "innovation" is a laughingly bad solution. People don't just get into accidents typing on their phone, reading texts is enormously distracting, reading requires both mental and optical focus. If you were right that putting that distraction on the windshield didn't detract from driving, then the placement of video games or movies or whatever in the same place is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. You're not right, and you as much as admitted it when you realized that the video game suggestion is absurd.
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The longer people like you make light of the fixes needed to make texting and driving easier and safer for the driver, the more the deaths will continue to pile up. The war on drugs didn't work, and the war on texting while driving will fail also. It took 30-40 years to make pot legal, hopefully we don't take as long to legalize texting and driving, which should bring some innovations in safety features.
I, for one, could give a rat's behind whether "texting and driving" could be made safer and/or easier for a driver. I don't particularly care whether irresponsible idiots who divide their attention, whilst driving a car, between texting and driving a) find one or the other more 'difficult' using currently-available technology and/or b) severely injure or kill themselves (preferrably the latter; gets 'em off the roads) while trying to do so.
The only relevant question is whether or not a driver can simultaneously drive a car and text without endangering other road users. Absent the development of genuinely safe autonomously self-driving cars, or absent some sort of miraculous feat of bio-engineering that enables the human brain to simultaneously 'text and drive' whilst maintaining full attention on both tasks -- something neurologically not currently possible for any human being -- I fail to see what technological developments would achieve this end.
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Sorry, but this is one of the lamest false equivalencies I have ever seen. There's plenty of examples of people changing their driving behavior due to prohibitive laws--when I was a kid, essentially no one wore seat belts, and the car seat for all practical purposes didn't exist. Once mass-marketed car seats were introduced, their use didn't really ramp up until holding the child in your lap was made illegal.
And sorry, your technical "innovation" is a laughingly bad solution. People don't just get into accidents typing on their phone, reading texts is enormously distracting, reading requires both mental and optical focus. If you were right that putting that distraction on the windshield didn't detract from driving, then the placement of video games or movies or whatever in the same place is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. You're not right, and you as much as admitted it when you realized that the video game suggestion is absurd.
And sorry, your technical "innovation" is a laughingly bad solution. People don't just get into accidents typing on their phone, reading texts is enormously distracting, reading requires both mental and optical focus. If you were right that putting that distraction on the windshield didn't detract from driving, then the placement of video games or movies or whatever in the same place is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. You're not right, and you as much as admitted it when you realized that the video game suggestion is absurd.
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Aren’t there more appropriate places for this “enlightening discussion?”
Ava has returned home along with Kristopher Cotton’s ashes.
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I understand my brainstormed innovations are somewhat absurd, but I just don't think that outlawing texting and driving will work. Some innovation has to happen that makes the process of sending and receiving texts safer while driving. Requiring "hands-free" just makes those people who don't use hands free hide their phone really low and out of view, making it even more unsafe. Simply outlawing texting while driving is the easy "zero-tolerance" answer, but it isn't THE answer. Look how long drunk driving has been outlawed, and yet here we are (in the US) with ~111 million drunk driving incidents annually (of which 11,000 are deaths), for the past 30 years (or more) https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafe...factsheet.html
Honestly, I really think it's a shame that you are using this thread in this way, and I wish that I didn't feel I need to answer this lame-brained assertion. No, drunk driving hasn't been eradicated, but are you arguing it isn't less than it would be if it was legal? Are you arguing for a technology that would make drunk driving safer? What makes you think that anything is going to be THE solution for a problem?
Anyway, you're just cherry picking, and really missed the point about car seats and seat belts. Regulation matters and can save lives, it just can't save all lives.
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Self-driving cars. I get that Covid and Civil Unrest have captured the news cycle but how could y'all's completely forget the coming irrelevance of human drivers in traffic safety? If you can stay off the roads for ... say 10 more years, you're golden.
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I understand my brainstormed innovations are somewhat absurd, but I just don't think that outlawing texting and driving will work. Some innovation has to happen that makes the process of being drunk safer while driving. Simply outlawing drinking and driving is the easy "zero-tolerance" answer, but it isn't THE answer. Look how long drunk driving has been outlawed, and yet here we are (in the US) with ~111 million drunk driving incidents annually (of which 11,000 are deaths), for the past 30 years (or more) https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafe...factsheet.html
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My main argument is that I want to reduce the texting and driving accidents by making it easier and less distracting for the driver to do so. And I believe that can be done via innovations that link the phone to the car better, and I gave brainstormed examples of some possible innovations. And I believe a discussion forum about safety is a prime place to discuss such things. And a sub-argument of mine is that simply outlawing that activity isn't all that can be done to reduce number the deaths.