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Old 08-07-20, 08:46 AM
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I do not believe I have ever eaten a beet, or a beet-derived substance.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
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There is a jar of pickled beets in the pantry that my wife bought on a whim, maybe I should give them a go?
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr View Post
Same here. I've always wondered if it's water retention in the muscles like in tears or something.
One theory I've heard in that vein is glycogen - depleted muscles absorb a ton of glycogen (and water) and that is heavy. I am not a doctor, and not even a noctor, but it makes sense from what the smart folks on ST say. It also makes sense because completely contrary to what I expected today, I felt fan-freaking-tastic and rode like the wind. Low HR, power everywhere and any time I called down to the engine room.

And also, all the curves at speed showed just how underutilized the R2 is on the MUP; it loves being committed to hard corners at speed. Frankly it deserves a better rider.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
You lika da beets, eh? Are these supplements that you take daily or are they just boosts for events or specific training rides...?
I take the beet powder daily, with L-Citrilline. Both are a help, I believe, along with watermelon for desert at night, which is a source for citrilline. I'll bring a a BeetUm or two on a long ride, and along with Bloks, may be all I eat.

I like Pure Clean because Doctor Cohen is passionate about his stuff, and promises to use the "good" beets, and not some gmo off shore stuff. Plus, he answers the phone when you call there, more often than not.

I need all the help I can get in the breathing department, and something is helping. Garmin said I hit a new high Vo2 Max of 69 last week, if that's to be taken seriously. That's pretty good for an upper middle aged guy with emphysema.
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You’ll never see it if it’s being offset by dehydration and glycogen depletion. Also, there are big genetic differences in the response of muscles to overuse. There are constant stories of people getting on spin bikes and developing compartment syndromes with nerve damage and rhabdomyolysis. Happened to a student of mine, who narrowly avoided emergency surgery. Those folks are just at one end of a spectrum.
I do hope I shouldn't be worried...
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
"Performance Chews"
Can't help but think of the "Chewing Magazine" story in Calvin & Hobbes.
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
There is a jar of pickled beets in the pantry that my wife bought on a whim, maybe I should give them a go?
I grew up in an area where pickled beets and eggs were practically a staple. "Pinkled Eggs", we called them. So much more appetizing than the 'Eggs In Plasma' look of pickled eggs made without beets.
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
There is a jar of pickled beets in the pantry that my wife bought on a whim, maybe I should give them a go?
Avoid.

Try some borscht. It ought to be pretty easy to find up there.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
"Performance Chews"

SMH
I can see the ad campaign now - "'CHEWS' TO PERFORM WITH OUR PERFORMANCE CHEWS!!"
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
Avoid.

Try some borscht. It ought to be pretty easy to find up there.
So you're saying borscht is the gateway drug, whereas pickled beets are the hard stuff?
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
Avoid.

Try some borscht. It ought to be pretty easy to find up there.
Also - we talking borscht, the beef stew with beets and cabbage served hot? Or the cold stuff?
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
I do hope I shouldn't be worried...
You should not.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
So you're saying borscht is the gateway drug, whereas pickled beets are the hard stuff?
I can't say for certain if I ever tried a picked beet, but pickled anything other than pickles are pretty disgusting.
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Also - we talking borscht, the beef stew with beets and cabbage served hot? Or the cold stuff?
I'm vegetarian so the kind I've had is made with vegetables, dill, maybe a little cream. Ukrainian descended.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
I can't say for certain if I ever tried a picked beet, but pickled anything other than pickles are pretty disgusting.
​De gustibus non est disputandum, but you're wrong.

​I'm vegetarian so the kind I've had is made with vegetables, dill, maybe a little cream. Ukrainian descended.
Ah. You see, my ancestry is solid British Isles Mutt, but my Dad's family's from Pittsburgh, where there were a lot of Eastern European steelworkers, so our recipe for borscht is as I described. Not sure who exaclty my grandmother learned it from, though.
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I had a Jewish friend who when we sailed in cold late fall weather, would bring a big pot of borscht. At the end of a cold day, with a good dollop of sour cream, this was a stick to the ribs meal that would warm you right up.
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I need all the help I can get in the breathing department, and something is helping. Garmin said I hit a new high Vo2 Max of 69 last week, if that's to be taken seriously. That's pretty good for an upper middle aged guy with emphysema.
This reminds me of a video I just watched. Has anyone ever done breathing exercises? I'm not even sure what they're supposed to accomplish. This guy supposedly ran a marathon on ice, barefoot, and other crazy stuff.

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I am not fond of beets, but will eat them with enough adulteration. The version of borscht I grew up with was beef stew with a few beets in it and was, therefore, edible. I like the pickled beets, along with the other pickled stuff, in Mediterranean salads, especially with good hummus and olive oil. I will also eat beets in salads with goat cheese and roasted walnuts etc.
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
I do not believe I have ever eaten a beet, or a beet-derived substance.
Closest thing I’ve had are the beets in a beyond burger.
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Originally Posted by LAJ View Post

I need all the help I can get in the breathing department, and something is helping. Garmin said I hit a new high Vo2 Max of 69 last week, if that's to be taken seriously. That's pretty good for an upper middle aged guy with emphysema.
Oh, jeez! That's right, you're an old smoker, aren't you? Amazing!
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Originally Posted by abshipp View Post
There is a jar of pickled beets in the pantry that my wife bought on a whim, maybe I should give them a go?
Chop 'em up and throw 'em on a salad.
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Beet powder or other supplements are the only way I'll eat a beet. No way would I touch one of those things otherwise, because unless it's in a separate vessel in another room, it effects everything else on the plate. (Or on the table)
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Beet powder or other supplements are the only way I'll eat a beet. No way would I touch one of those things otherwise, because unless it's in a separate vessel in another room, it effects everything else on the plate. (Or on the table)
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol View Post
This reminds me of a video I just watched. Has anyone ever done breathing exercises? I'm not even sure what they're supposed to accomplish. This guy supposedly ran a marathon on ice, barefoot, and other crazy stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzCaZQqAs9I
I have, and honestly feel better when I do. It's just a hard habit to maintain for some reason.
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Originally Posted by LAJ View Post
I need all the help I can get in the breathing department, and something is helping. Garmin said I hit a new high Vo2 Max of 69 last week, if that's to be taken seriously. That's pretty good for an upper middle aged guy with emphysema.
Given that the highest I've ever achieved is 60, yeah, that's "pretty good".
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Given that the highest I've ever achieved is 60, yeah, that's "pretty good".
I've learned to breathe out of my tonsils.
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