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Old 08-29-20, 04:45 PM
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Rummage Sale Super Course

Well, my tagline says “Senior Member”, but give me a break. I joined this forum less than a year ago after finding a 71 International at a garage sale. I learned so much refurbishing that bike under the tutelage of C&V members, that it makes me cringe to imagine going through that process without this depth of knowledge. It turned out nicely!



As you well know, the addiction gets strong, and I promised I would limit my purchases to garage sales. It hasn’t been very limiting. I bought an 87 Hardrock (mildly interesting to C&V) and a 90’s Mrazek (interesting to almost no one), and became fixated on those rides.

Driving by a church rummage sale on Thursday, I spotted a green bike with a leather saddle leaning against a shrub, along with a bunch of shovels. “No way,” I thought. A couple of twenty dollar bills later, and It was in the van.



A pair of beaten up 90’s spd’s were in a bag hanging from the handlebars. And just like the International, it had lost its original rear wheel at some point, and had been given a 170 crank. Weird. It had also been made very comfortable, but had retained its dignity somehow.





So I’m going to start tearing into it, but not without starting a thread first. I’m going to have a bunch of dumb questions!

Thanks in advance!!
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Great deal for $40.

I hate that stem though.
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Purchased me first "tenspeed" in 1965 from Charlie Harding's Westwood Cyclery.

A white U08 it were.

He retired and returned home to Eire around 1990.

Had Holdsworthy make some house brand cycles/framesets for him.

The shop had a loft where C&V cycles and fittings were stored. Sometimes regulars were permitted to browse...

Enjoy your find. Are you sheltering-in-place in So-Cal?

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Originally Posted by cb400bill
Great deal for $40.

I hate that stem though.
Thanks.

The stem goes in the parts bin right away. I can’t imagine reaching down to the shifters from that height. The GB from my International will take its place. I had to put something taller on the International because the frame is a little short maybe.
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Originally Posted by juvela
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Purchased me first "tenspeed" in 1965 from Charlie Harding's Westwood Cyclery.

A white U08 it were.

He retired and returned home to Eire around 1990.

Had Holdsworthy make some house brand cycles/framesets for him.

The shop had a loft where C&V cycles and fittings were stored. Sometimes regulars were permitted to browse...

Enjoy your find. Are you sheltering-in-place in So-Cal?

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Thanks for the info! I thought someone might recognize an LA shop.

I’m in Portland. I suppose the guy added the fenders when he moved north.
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Puhleeze get that stem and rack off of there pronto...the other junque can wait.

Greetings to Portlandia!


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Originally Posted by juvela
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Puhleeze get that stem and rack off of there pronto...the other junque can wait.

Greetings to Portlandia!


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What, you don’t like a tilted rack and an adjustable stem? I’m sort of fascinated by the as-found condition of old bikes. Who sold him the stem? Who sold him the seatpost and flipped the clamp, but didn’t talk him out of the original Brooks? Who mounts a rack like that? Maybe it was DIY? The spd pedals were trashed, so somebody rode something.

Anyways, the frame is stripped, and more to come.

And Portlandia is perfectly intact, regardless of what you’ve heard!

Dumb question: What pump is that? Chrome, no markings, little braided hose stored in the top.

Thanks!
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wrt the frame pump -

readers may be able to identify it for you if you are able to post some closeup/detail images of it

one idea which comes to mind is that it may be a Raleigh or Rampar accessory which was purchased at the same time as the cycle. when new it may have worn a decalcomania transfer which has long since flaked away.

dating - as you probably learned from your work on the Inter you should be able to get a specific date from the serial

another spot to check is the backside of the machine's Simplex Prestige rear gear mech -




thinking the 1971-72 time

Mudguards: AKA Willamette water wings

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Juvela is likely correct as usual. 71/72 are the years Nervex lugs were used.
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Originally Posted by Pcampeau
Juvela is likely correct as usual. 71/72 are the years Nervex lugs were used.
Yes, I’d posted this on the SC thread and noglider pointed out that the simplex stuff put it at 72.

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Nice find, I notice the phone number on the dealerships sticker, Granite 3658 reminds me of growing up in North Hollywood during the 1960s and Ralph Williams Ford TV adds I can remember the number to this day I saw it so much as a kid, Richmond 9 5171,
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There's a fix for the tilted rack. Pletschers came with a T-mount that lets you attach the rack to the brake mounting bolt and a couple of pieces that clamp to the stays and span the gap that the rack itself is not wide enough to fit, letting you lower the front of the rack. It does add multiple grams to the overall weight of your bike, though. They work. I've used them.
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Originally Posted by Pcampeau
Juvela is likely correct as usual. 71/72 are the years Nervex lugs were used.
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Ha!

You give me too much credit for Raleigh savvy.

1971 was the first year for this model of Simplex Prestige shift lever. It was shown in company materials in 1970 but did not get on to new bicycles until 1971. 1972 was the final year for the pattern of Atom QR skewer seen on the front hub.

Hence the cycle could not be earlier than 1971 or later than 1972.

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Originally Posted by royphotog
Nice find, I notice the phone number on the dealerships sticker, Granite 3658 reminds me of growing up in North Hollywood during the 1960s and Ralph Williams Ford TV adds I can remember the number to this day I saw it so much as a kid, Richmond 9 5171,
I lived in WLA for a long time GRanite exchange... the 47 numbers... when General Telephone ruled. They bet big on electromechanical Switching then touch tone arrived and you could get a touch tone but the central switching had to convert that to pulse!

Charlie worked for Hans Ohrt for a while- then bought Sugden & Lynch and renamed it C Harding’s Westwood Cyclery

another shop opened five blocks or so south on the other side of the street- they sold Peugeot and another brand.

charlie sold Raleigh, Phillips, Carlton, Legnano, Hetchins, holdsworth. My first bike, a Phillips Pilot was from there.

across the street from Charlie was a Chevy dealer and later George Barris Customs
sonny and Cher- the. Batmobile...
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Great score, JacobLee. You may have seen that I picked up and lightly updated a 72 SC for my son, glamour shots here. I had a lot of fun with it, except for the proprietary bottom bracket I had to replace.+1 on the Pletscher recommendation from thumpism, I had one that I'd been saving, apparently for exactly this bike Say, what's the saddle on yours?
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Originally Posted by thumpism
There's a fix for the tilted rack. Pletschers came with a T-mount that lets you attach the rack to the brake mounting bolt and a couple of pieces that clamp to the stays and span the gap that the rack itself is not wide enough to fit, letting you lower the front of the rack. It does add multiple grams to the overall weight of your bike, though. They work. I've used them.
that T plate did not arrive till the mid 70’s...
there was an aftermarket accessory prior
an open triangle.
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Originally Posted by repechage
that T plate did not arrive till the mid 70’s...
there was an aftermarket accessory prior
an open triangle.
That was a Terry item, I think, by the folks who made the tire levers and the bolt-on tennis racket clips, not Georgena Terry.
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Originally Posted by royphotog
Nice find, I notice the phone number on the dealerships sticker, Granite 3658 reminds me of growing up in North Hollywood during the 1960s and Ralph Williams Ford TV adds I can remember the number to this day I saw it so much as a kid, Richmond 9 5171,
I grew up in Central Ca, but still remember “Pete Ellis Dodge, Long Beach freeway, Firestone Exit, Southgate!” With the little white dot keeping time.
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Originally Posted by ascherer
Great score, JacobLee. You may have seen that I picked up and lightly updated a 72 SC for my son, glamour shots here. I had a lot of fun with it, except for the proprietary bottom bracket I had to replace.+1 on the Pletscher recommendation from thumpism, I had one that I'd been saving, apparently for exactly this bike Say, what's the saddle on yours?
Yes, I saw the bike you did for your son, it’s a beaut!

This SC had a UN-72 BB installed. Score!

I won’t be in a hurry to re-install the rack, but I’ll keep it in case I get a notion.

The saddle is a champion narrow B-15

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And here’s the pump:





Any idears?
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And here’s the pump:

Any idears?
Get rid of it. Those pumps were one of the best reasons to go with presta valves. The hoses *always* leaked or split or came apart.

Use some grommets for the valve holes and hose-less presta pump. If not one one rainy day you could regret it.
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Pump -

if european it may be APEX

the Raleigh chrome frame pump of this era is accessory Nr. 572 and is listed as being 15" in length

if from nippon it may be Primus

will do a spot o' checking and report back if anything found...

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Get rid of it. Those pumps were one of the best reasons to go with presta valves. The hoses *always* leaked or split or came apart.

Use some grommets for the valve holes and hose-less presta pump. If not one one rainy day you could regret it.
I wasn’t planning on using it, just thought it was interesting that it was still attached to the bike (by plastic clamp pegs). The guy must not have had many flats in his riding career, or I suspect he would have bought a new pump.

I’m not even sure I’ll use the 27” wheels n the long run, although I will be interested to try them. The pair I found for my International are 700c, so I will be able to compare them.
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Originally Posted by juvela
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Pump -

if european it may be APEX

the Raleigh chrome frame pump of this era is accessory Nr. 572 and is listed as being 15" in length

if from nippon it may be Primus

will do a spot o' checking and report back if anything found...

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Pump is 15 1/2” uncompressed.
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DQrider posted this pic:


Looks like the same thing, minus the plastic pegs (classy).
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