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I tried this as a separate thread and no one responded.
I have a SA FM that works fine, but is noisy in normal gear. I removed the internals from the wheel, just to see if I could at least see how it works.
I am thinking the primary gear set is likely worn. If so, does anyone stock parts? It doesn’t seem likely that it would share parts excepting planet pins, pawl pins and springs with other hubs.
It seems like noise in normal gear would show up in AW’s as well. Has anyone had trouble with that? Is there an easy remedy?
I have a SA FM that works fine, but is noisy in normal gear. I removed the internals from the wheel, just to see if I could at least see how it works.
I am thinking the primary gear set is likely worn. If so, does anyone stock parts? It doesn’t seem likely that it would share parts excepting planet pins, pawl pins and springs with other hubs.
It seems like noise in normal gear would show up in AW’s as well. Has anyone had trouble with that? Is there an easy remedy?
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I tried this as a separate thread and no one responded.
I have a SA FM that works fine, but is noisy in normal gear. I removed the internals from the wheel, just to see if I could at least see how it works.
I am thinking the primary gear set is likely worn. If so, does anyone stock parts? It doesn’t seem likely that it would share parts excepting planet pins, pawl pins and springs with other hubs.
It seems like noise in normal gear would show up in AW’s as well. Has anyone had trouble with that? Is there an easy remedy?
I have a SA FM that works fine, but is noisy in normal gear. I removed the internals from the wheel, just to see if I could at least see how it works.
I am thinking the primary gear set is likely worn. If so, does anyone stock parts? It doesn’t seem likely that it would share parts excepting planet pins, pawl pins and springs with other hubs.
It seems like noise in normal gear would show up in AW’s as well. Has anyone had trouble with that? Is there an easy remedy?
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I’ll put it back together and see how it goes.
With an AW I tighten the drive side down tight and back off 1/2 to 3/4 turn. Then I set up the left side a little sloppy. Is that why the left side doesn’t have the lock washer with tabs?
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The FM and FC hubs are in a family apart from the AW or even the FW hub. They are mechanically different. The drive side cone is set first, finger tight and loosen 1/2 to 3/4 turn. It should not be loosened more than 3/4 turn. Non-drive bearing adjustment is for the slightest play at the rim. It is less tolerant of play than the AW or even the FW. Was there any visible wear on any of the parts when you dismantled the hub?
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Hopefully we're finally turning the corner here into better weather - finally getting some warmth. It seemed like we were ready to start spring, but then got hit with two inches of new snow. It has melted and hopefully that is the end of winter here. I took out the 1959 Traveler yesterday evening while the weather was good.
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The FM and FC hubs are in a family apart from the AW or even the FW hub. They are mechanically different. The drive side cone is set first, finger tight and loosen 1/2 to 3/4 turn. It should not be loosened more than 3/4 turn. Non-drive bearing adjustment is for the slightest play at the rim. It is less tolerant of play than the AW or even the FW. Was there any visible wear on any of the parts when you dismantled the hub?
I took the internals out as a unit, and didn’t make any attempt at further disassembly since I figured it still worked and I wasn’t likely to find replacement parts. It’s 70 years old and likely there is some wear. When I first got the hub before it was built into a wheel, I did resurface the cones with a wet stone.
I did learn a few things. I could see the the secondary planet holder turns the main sun gear when you select the lowest gear. I haven’t been able to figure out the gear reduction that that creates.
I had an ahah moment when I saw the large diameter spring between the secondary and primary gear trains. “ So, that’s what those springs are for that I sent Mike in the trade.”
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I read Persig's book while at college in my late teens in the 70's and was mystified by the theme.
Some of it must have sunk in, though at the time I was still shedding the last vestiges of being a callow youth.
Still have the book, but each time I pick it up, I put it down.
I've never found two people who shared the same interpretive experience reading the book,
Some of it must have sunk in, though at the time I was still shedding the last vestiges of being a callow youth.
Still have the book, but each time I pick it up, I put it down.
I've never found two people who shared the same interpretive experience reading the book,
Between Pirsig, John Muir (How to keep your Volkswagen alive) and the Tom Cuthbertson’s books on bicycle mechanics and being rough and ready when your touring situation demands it, I gained a lot which I still use in mt own mechanistic life, and in my aerospace and automotive engineering career, since college days
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I'm planning a coastal tour on my Raleigh Sports 3-Speed this coming weekend .... I'll update this forum with my travel log. Will be touching 3 States ...
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This morning before I read this post I reinstalled the internals and set the hub up without as much slop. I took the bike for a spin and it is definitely quieter. Although there is still extra noise in normal gear.
I took the internals out as a unit, and didn’t make any attempt at further disassembly since I figured it still worked and I wasn’t likely to find replacement parts. It’s 70 years old and likely there is some wear. When I first got the hub before it was built into a wheel, I did resurface the cones with a wet stone.
I did learn a few things. I could see the the secondary planet holder turns the main sun gear when you select the lowest gear. I haven’t been able to figure out the gear reduction that that creates.
I had an ahah moment when I saw the large diameter spring between the secondary and primary gear trains. “ So, that’s what those springs are for that I sent Mike in the trade.”
I took the internals out as a unit, and didn’t make any attempt at further disassembly since I figured it still worked and I wasn’t likely to find replacement parts. It’s 70 years old and likely there is some wear. When I first got the hub before it was built into a wheel, I did resurface the cones with a wet stone.
I did learn a few things. I could see the the secondary planet holder turns the main sun gear when you select the lowest gear. I haven’t been able to figure out the gear reduction that that creates.
I had an ahah moment when I saw the large diameter spring between the secondary and primary gear trains. “ So, that’s what those springs are for that I sent Mike in the trade.”
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Here is a new one on me and the seller who gives plenty of background say possibly unique a Hobday Brothers 3 speed, too far away from me luckily, I am not sure I have room for another.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828
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Hopefully we're finally turning the corner here into better weather - finally getting some warmth. It seemed like we were ready to start spring, but then got hit with two inches of new snow. It has melted and hopefully that is the end of winter here. I took out the 1959 Traveler yesterday evening while the weather was good.
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The week before we had two days that made it up over 60. Of course the weather calls for "cold and rainy", and the two inches of snow at the end of the storm strike as an unpleasant surprise. Two steps forward, one step back in April around here...
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Here is a new one on me and the seller who gives plenty of background say possibly unique a Hobday Brothers 3 speed, too far away from me luckily, I am not sure I have room for another.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828
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First ride of the season. The boat launch is always my first. Brought some lunch and my new mini-binoculars, but all I saw was herring gulls. Nice spot. Sunny, breezy. 60F https://www.mapmyride.com/workout/7877989039/
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Had to put a piece of bark under the kick-stand to stabilize the bike.
You can see where the high-tide line is. Tide was coming in.
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Here is a new one on me and the seller who gives plenty of background say possibly unique a Hobday Brothers 3 speed, too far away from me luckily, I am not sure I have room for another.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828
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I've not had this one out for several years but needed to cart some stuff downtown
I was having a hell of a time in third gear and
thought I must be getting old....
Most of my bikes have 19/20/21T cogs
and I thought the original cog on this one was an 18.
I was very surprised to find this one had a 17T cog.
This bike is very original with all of it's "R" nuts etc so
I've always assumed the back cog was original as well.
I've not had this one out for several years but needed to cart some stuff downtown
I was having a hell of a time in third gear and
thought I must be getting old....
Most of my bikes have 19/20/21T cogs
and I thought the original cog on this one was an 18.
I was very surprised to find this one had a 17T cog.
This bike is very original with all of it's "R" nuts etc so
I've always assumed the back cog was original as well.
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