Have Your Tires been Lying to you?
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Again, I am not making an interpretation.
The manufacturer plainly states that the 80 psi is a starting point, not a max, as you continue to falsely claim.
It's odd that you continue to be unable to understand the black and white text from the manufacturer. "Note: Tire pressures are intended as a starting recommendation "
The manufacturer plainly states that the 80 psi is a starting point, not a max, as you continue to falsely claim.
It's odd that you continue to be unable to understand the black and white text from the manufacturer. "Note: Tire pressures are intended as a starting recommendation "
"Red = Maximum Recommended Tire Pressure for Given Rim & Tire Volume Combo on Paved Road Surfaces"
Anyway.. we all agree that tire sidewalls max psi ratings don't mean much, and hopefully we agree that often these can be in strong misalignment with what (most) rim makers indicate as safe.
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OK, so where does pinch flatting come into play here? As a fat rider I was always told to inflate to the maximum pressure listed on the sidewall. So for my 40X700 Clements I ran running 80 psi last year. After 3 blow outs I dropped down to 70 psi and I stopped having problems. My local LBS also advised that the quality of tubes isn't what it once was..... Thoughts??
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Tubes come in all variety of thicknesses from ultra-thick thorn resistant to ridiculously thin latex ultra-lights. Even no tube at all in some cases.
Blow-off (in most cases that are not heat related) is a result of fitment of the tire to the rim and the construction/quality & particular combination of each.
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Heya base2. Im just trying to figure out what pressure I should ride my tires at. 80 caused me issues. How low can I go without getting a pinch flat on a 40mm gravel tire??
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To get some sense for a baseline, though, what's your bike+rider weight? What's your gravel like?
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The above poster is correct. Conditions matter. If you're running hardcore on all tree roots & rock the likelyhood of a pinch is greater. I tend to run a bit higher just because I don't like mush & I don't like walking. How much time is lost walking back to the car? A lot! So I've made it policy to never find out how low I could go. I've always took the minimum to mean "lowest you could go to ensure the tube or tire doesn't walk around the rim" & left it at that.
So maybe a touch higher (50-ish) is better when you leave the house, then you can let some out when conditions dictate what you should do. There is no shame in looking at your own contact patch, seeing how much your sidewalls deflect or feeling how rough the ride is through your hands/sitbones and adjusting accordingly. Some gravel roads can be remarkably smooth & well packed others can be pretty rocky. I did a gravel century on 700x32's at 65psi & it worked out fine. I just (an hour ago) did 20 miles on ice with 559x60 studded snow tires at 35psi. The studs were like velcro, so It must've been right enough. The only pinch flat I ever got was a skinny 23c at 80psi when hitting a curb. So, you've got plenty of wiggle room to go down, for sure.
Sorry, there isn't a better answer in the form of a specific number....If I set off in the car & drive to a ride I keep a track pump in the car/truck & decide when I get there.
If 80 (!) is causing issues, go less. If it feels mushy or draggy go more. No need to overthink. Assuming you have 41's & good roads like me you could start at 50 psi & see what happens. I never go below 35, I just haven't seen any reason to. I hope this helps.
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I’ve discovered that Silica’s pressure calculator chart provides a good starting point for finding good tire pressure. It is worth checking out and comparing against what you might be currently doing.
Another thought, I think for most of us the 105% rule is an overstated rule. There aren’t many road bike wheels in actual use that are wide enough for anything wider than a 25mm wide tire and still stay within the 105% rule, yet many of us are riding 26, 28mm tires with no real depreciation in actual speed. I’m not saying there isn’t a trade off, I’m just suggesting that the fraction of aero lost is less important than the gains from wider tires.
Happy cycling!
Another thought, I think for most of us the 105% rule is an overstated rule. There aren’t many road bike wheels in actual use that are wide enough for anything wider than a 25mm wide tire and still stay within the 105% rule, yet many of us are riding 26, 28mm tires with no real depreciation in actual speed. I’m not saying there isn’t a trade off, I’m just suggesting that the fraction of aero lost is less important than the gains from wider tires.
Happy cycling!