Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Hot r Not

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Hot r Not

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-23-18, 10:39 AM
  #26826  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Maybe I am just too old school but adjusting the saddle position should be for the body placement over the cranks and not seat to handlebar reach. At least from the look of the bike, it seems like the owner is trying to compensate for the latter. It looks to me like the owner is trying to fit his bike in a position too aggressively (slammed stem) in the saddle to bar drop aspect for his current level of flexibility. I'd really like to see a picture of the rider on the bike to confirm this or to debunk my theory either way.
Yes, saddle positioning should be relative to the BB/crankset, but we don't know that it was determined in some other fashion. You're making an assumption that it's being used to shorten the reach, but I can assure you that there are individuals out there that need/prefer a zero-setback post - that's why zero-setback posts exist. Also, since many bike models have the same ST angle across multiple frame sizes, sizing up or sizing down isn't necessarily going to change the need for setback/zero-setback since, again, position is set relative to the BB.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-23-18, 11:14 AM
  #26827  
69chevy
wears long socks
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,614
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 503 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 11 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH
Nobody insulted you.

We said your bike isn't hot, looks silly, doesn't fit, could downhill ski off the saddle, etc.

The only thing said about you was that maybe you need to gain flexibility and a question about the length of your femur.


-Tim-
I wasn’t talking you you. You said it looks goofy to you and said what you’d do differently. I respect that. Saying I don’t understand bike fit when I do and saying my bike isn’t fit proberly with out ever seeing me ride it.... that’s what I’m saying has noting to do with hot or not.
69chevy is offline  
Old 08-23-18, 11:31 AM
  #26828  
redlude97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,764
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1975 Post(s)
Liked 232 Times in 173 Posts
I personally like -17 degree stems, and that already looks slammed. As far as the seat angle, its a few degrees down from where it is commonly set up but the power saddle is supposed to kick up in the rear accentuating the nose down look. Only the nose of the sadle should be used for levelling and its for aggressive fits. The seatpost as already has been mentioned makes it a not hot, I also have to ride with the seat pretty far forward according to my fitter so I run zero setback seatposts because they look better, which is what this thread is about
redlude97 is offline  
Old 08-24-18, 09:48 PM
  #26829  
Boerd
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Norcal
Posts: 207

Bikes: Moots Vamoots RSL 2018, Passoni Titanio 2020

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 111 Post(s)
Liked 33 Times in 8 Posts
Just got my Vamoots RSL / ETap / Belgium Plus - White Industries:






Boerd is offline  
Old 08-24-18, 10:00 PM
  #26830  
LorenzoNF
zone 2
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 591

Bikes: BMC Teammachine

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Pretty much stock right now, but looking to upgrade wheels to something in the 40-50mm depth range soon.

LorenzoNF is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 03:16 PM
  #26831  
Reeses
Senior Member
 
Reeses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 808

Bikes: Scott CR1 Pro, Eimei

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The geometry alone makes this hot but the discs are not
Reeses is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 04:34 PM
  #26832  
Paul Barnard
For The Fun of It
 
Paul Barnard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Louisissippi Coast
Posts: 5,852

Bikes: Lynskey GR300, Lynskey Backroad, Litespeed T6, Lynskey MT29, Burley Duet

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2135 Post(s)
Liked 1,647 Times in 829 Posts
Originally Posted by MyTi
I think I'm done. Saddle needs to tilt up I'm finding the downward tilt to be a bit extreme right now. Satisfied with the 90mm stem. Bike weighs 16.1 pounds as it sits with the upgraded carbon wheels and carbon bars, and carbon braze on mount.
Points for Ti, for cleanliness and for American craftsmanship. All points removed by the "vortex" name. By definition, this is a vortex:



Who names a bike after a flushing toilet?
Paul Barnard is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 04:57 PM
  #26833  
cat0020
Ride more, eat less
 
cat0020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,075

Bikes: Too many but never enough.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 715 Post(s)
Liked 737 Times in 453 Posts
Completed my built, put about 22 miles on it today.. internal cable routing is rather noisy without internal lining... frame/fork/seatpost/stem/headset/BB kit cost less than that Pinarello seatpost.



cat0020 is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 07:30 PM
  #26834  
growlerdinky
Duke Ulysses
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 800

Bikes: An old orange one for dirt, and for the other stuff: a white one, a kinda mint green one, and a black one.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 165 Post(s)
Liked 175 Times in 86 Posts
Originally Posted by cat0020
Completed my built, put about 22 miles on it today.. internal cable routing is rather noisy without internal lining... frame/fork/seatpost/stem/headset/BB kit cost less than that Pinarello seatpost.



Not
growlerdinky is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 08:23 PM
  #26835  
C.Jester
Member
 
C.Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Alabama
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts

My joy
C.Jester is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 08:25 PM
  #26836  
C.Jester
Member
 
C.Jester's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Alabama
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 31 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cat0020
Completed my built, put about 22 miles on it today.. internal cable routing is rather noisy without internal lining... frame/fork/seatpost/stem/headset/BB kit cost less than that Pinarello seatpost.




That’s a beautiful bike. Doesn’t look comfortable, but it’s damn pretty for sure.
C.Jester is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 08:46 PM
  #26837  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,779

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6844 Post(s)
Liked 736 Times in 469 Posts
@cat0020, what bar is that?


-Tim-
TimothyH is offline  
Old 08-25-18, 09:53 PM
  #26838  
Reeses
Senior Member
 
Reeses's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Long Beach, CA
Posts: 808

Bikes: Scott CR1 Pro, Eimei

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by C.Jester



That’s a beautiful bike. Doesn’t look comfortable, but it’s damn pretty for sure.

About 2 sizes too big
Reeses is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 08:39 AM
  #26839  
cat0020
Ride more, eat less
 
cat0020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Philla PA, Hoboken NJ, Brooklyn NY
Posts: 2,075

Bikes: Too many but never enough.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 715 Post(s)
Liked 737 Times in 453 Posts
Originally Posted by C.Jester
That’s a beautiful bike. Doesn’t look comfortable, but it’s damn pretty for sure.
Thank you.
The looks is deceiving, because the hoods are actually only 1/2" lower than my regular road bike, but still 1 1/2" higher than my TT bike.
I designate this bike as my flatland bike, majority of rides are going to be flat, with minimal elevation change. where the aero frame advantage can really benefit.

Originally Posted by Reeses
About 2 sizes too big
Frame looks big, because the top tube/headtube junction is normally where the top of the stem is, without any spacers on the steertube of the fork; therefore head tube looks long, frame looks bigger.
My seat height was set low for initial test ride.

Originally Posted by TimothyH
@cat0020, what bar is that?
-Tim-
Just some random Toseek bar I found on eBay, $55 full carbon, the rise on the flat part compensates if you have low stem height and still keep the axle-hood distance similar to regular road bike.

The large flat area on the bartop is really comfortable and ergonomic, thumbs & index finger falls right where they need to be among the bends of the handlebar.
Stiffness of the bar is not as others, but I'm not sprinting among cat.1 racers, so it does just fine as my flatland bike.

The only drawback is the routing of the cable housings.. internal cable housing were PITA to do and cables can bind within the internal route, too a long time to setup proper.

cat0020 is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 09:19 AM
  #26840  
Delia Hogue
Banned.
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
super hot.
Delia Hogue is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 12:57 PM
  #26841  
redlude97
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,764
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1975 Post(s)
Liked 232 Times in 173 Posts
It's like the bastard child of a Look and a Venge
redlude97 is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 01:22 PM
  #26842  
Crandall
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 16
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
+1 for Moots
Crandall is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 01:26 PM
  #26843  
Bah Humbug
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
Yes, saddle positioning should be relative to the BB/crankset, but we don't know that it was determined in some other fashion. You're making an assumption that it's being used to shorten the reach, but I can assure you that there are individuals out there that need/prefer a zero-setback post - that's why zero-setback posts exist. Also, since many bike models have the same ST angle across multiple frame sizes, sizing up or sizing down isn't necessarily going to change the need for setback/zero-setback since, again, position is set relative to the BB.
And as it turns out, some people like steeper seat tube angles.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 02:59 PM
  #26844  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
And as it turns out, some people like steeper seat tube angles.
Crazy, innit? And really, what are we talking about here - preferences aside, an inch variation in femur length?
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 03:02 PM
  #26845  
sevenmag
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 564

Bikes: 1976 Raleigh,2015 Bianchi Intenso, 2012 Specialized Secteur.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
Originally Posted by C.Jester

My joy
That's a beautiful frame, and I like the bar tape and bars. But the seat and the stem are losing me. But that frame is fantastic looking.
sevenmag is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 03:08 PM
  #26846  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 39,254
Mentioned: 211 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18424 Post(s)
Liked 15,580 Times in 7,337 Posts
Originally Posted by growlerdinky
Not
x2
indyfabz is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 03:09 PM
  #26847  
indyfabz
Senior Member
 
indyfabz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 39,254
Mentioned: 211 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18424 Post(s)
Liked 15,580 Times in 7,337 Posts
Originally Posted by C.Jester

My joy
Not the point of this thread. See what I did there?
indyfabz is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 03:51 PM
  #26848  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by C.Jester

My joy
Woof. That saddle is unforgivable.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 07:20 PM
  #26849  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 8,922
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4717 Post(s)
Liked 1,882 Times in 998 Posts
Originally Posted by cat0020
Completed my built, put about 22 miles on it today.. internal cable routing is rather noisy without internal lining... frame/fork/seatpost/stem/headset/BB kit cost less than that Pinarello seatpost.



who taught you how to wrap handlebars? Almost all of your bikes need some help in that department.
noodle soup is offline  
Old 08-26-18, 07:23 PM
  #26850  
cycledogg
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,163
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 344 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 20 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by cat0020
Completed my built, put about 22 miles on it today.. internal cable routing is rather noisy without internal lining... frame/fork/seatpost/stem/headset/BB kit cost less than that Pinarello seatpost.



If you rode 22 miles on this bike, why is the setup tab still on the front derailleur?
cycledogg is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.