bdooner

I'll tackle this project this summer. The frame is red. I'll cold set to 130.
The big question is which groupset, either Shimano 105 in black or silver or Campy Veloce in silver. Looks wise my thoughts are the Shimano silver isn't really silver and the black with red might look good. The Campy silver is a no brainer and is my first choice. However, performance is important and could make the difference between Shimano 105 or Campy Veloce. I'm on a budget or I'd just go silver Campy Athena and be done with it.
As a side note, has anyone noticed the absence of silver Veloce and Athena from the U.K. sites?

icepick_trotsky 

I think all the UK retailers are sold out of the silver right now.

I'd go Shimano on that bike. Its Japanese lineage demands it.

bikemig 

You don't need to cold set it to 130 if it's the '93. It is 127.5 so you can run 126 or 130. The red bike needs silver; that's my 2 cents worth. I've been thinking of rebuilding my bike with campy. Everything else being equal, I'd go with shimano like icepick suggests but campy still has stuff in silver if going with a modern group. Tiagra wouldn't be a bad choice either.

Andy_K 

Ribble is showing me Veloce in silver right now for $353. I bought a silver Athena group from them last month, but I had to get the bottom bracket and front derailleur from another source because they didn't have the size/type in stock that I needed.

The 105 stuff wouldn't look bad, if you don't mind the modern angles on the crankset and rear derailleur. If you could find 6600 series Ultegra parts, I think that would look better.

The problem I have with black is that I always end up with a silver stripe from heel rub on the crankset.

bdooner

I just checked Ribble. They must have added silver this morning. I show $423.00

Andy_K 

They've got a glitch in their website. The price you are seeing probably includes VAT, which will be taken off during checkout. If you have an account and log in it shows the right price while browsing.

rccardr 

I like the silver with red. A recent 5800 build on a red frame:

DIMcyclist

There's also this to consider: at the moment, the dollar is lower against the pound; monetary fluctuations can be a great advantage when shopping Euro. websites; the reverse is also true.

bdooner

As per my "However, performance is important and could make the difference between Shimano 105 or Campy Veloce." I was hoping about some ideas about perfomance. Does everyone look at 105 / Veloce as reasonably equivalent.

rowebr

Thank you for posting this! Now I feel good about going with silver 5800 for my red Guerciotti.

bdooner

As per my "However, performance is important and could make the difference between Shimano 105 or Campy Veloce." I was hoping about some ideas about perfomance. Does everyone look at 105 / Veloce as reasonably equivalent.
rccardr
I like that look. I'm a bit surprised!

Andy_K 

What do you mean by "performance"? Are you talking about how fast the shifts are? How reliable they are? Braking?

I won't be able to answer your question, but I think you need to be more specific about what you're asking.

icepick_trotsky 

I've heard nothing but stellar performance from both groups. I wouldn't hesitate in getting either. I'm not sure about the weight difference or if that matters to you. 105 also has the one extra gear.

Darth Lefty 

It's still possible to build a bike that has brand new premium Asian parts but no "groupset" if you wanted to go that route, like the old days had Suntour/Sugino/Dia Compe. That might be the way to go to get it all silver. Have a look at the builds on some of the complete Soma bikes. SunXCD, IRD, Sugino, Tektro. They all use thumbies, or barcons, or downtube shifters. All these things are pretty much STI compatible if you wanted to add a set of Shimano brifters to the mix. OR you can be extra-clever and use Ergos to make a Shimergo setup that has no actual Shimano in it...

bikemig 

+ 1 on this idea. This would be true to how the bikes were originally outfitted (with a mix of parts) as well.

bdooner

I agree wholeheartedly. Grant P. did this with all his B-stones. It would definitely follow that tradition. I've done that before (parts bin) and it can work out really well. Don't know if I want to do that starting from scratch. Hmmm.

606

I'd normally insist on Campagnolo, but as it's a Japanese bike, Shimano seems more fitting.

And a black groupset on a red steel frame can look good.

bdooner

On the mixed groupsets......I like the Sugino cranks, stronglight too. Some of the V.O. stuff. Bar ends are fine. They would open up options for brake levers too. Most brifters would be prohibitive in terms of individual cost. There would be a important thought process if I went this route.

bdooner

Oh, on the performance question. Shifting crispness, braking, durability, low maintanance. Weight does come into play, although I'd be working with a different steel frame, maybe Sram componants.

Darth Lefty 

Honestly the mixed group would be more expensive by a long shot than buying a groupset from overseas. That's not why I suggested it, it was because you asked for silver.

Brifters also don't have to be that expensive, iirc a Veloce set is about a hundred bucks from Ribble.

Andy_K 

This is a very orthodox C&V opinion. I feel the same way and honestly that was one of the main reasons I went with Campy for my Pinarello. Ironically, I was browsing Bucycling magazine recently and I couldn't help but notice that even the new Pinarellos are being outfitted with Shimano. Oh, what sad times are these...?

Andy_K 

I'm on the fence on this. I explored that color scheme with my Pinarello just because I had parts in the parts bin to do it while I was in the planning stages.



I liked it at first and seriously considered going this route, but I ultimately decided on silver.



Red is a color that works pretty well either way.

RobbieTunes

My vote is silver 5700 or 5800, but see if you can find a DA 7800 crankset, instead. Just sayin'

bdooner

Robbie,
What about Sugino or ?

RobbieTunes

A nice modern shiny Sugino compact would be nice, too.